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Post by coachcb on Mar 3, 2012 19:21:40 GMT -6
the coaching of the programs in your area, conference, etc..
This is obviously a pretty subjective question. If you watched film of our defense this year, you'd assume that the kids werent being coached at all. But, there are teams that you watch and it's obvious that theyre well prepared and others that aren't.
The teams in our conference will all pretty well coached this year. We beat the heck out of the two that weren't: they were flat out awful. The top three teams in our conference are scary; really well coached and it shows.
Several years ago, I coached in a conference that we dominated year in and year out. The teams we faced generally really grab-bag on both sides if the ball, fundamentals werent taught and they were just bad. We did beat on one team that was coached well but their numbers were about half of ours and they were just over matched.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 3, 2012 20:06:09 GMT -6
The coaching here is atrocious. Most of the coaches are themselves fresh out of HS and even the best of them don't have the knowledge, experience, or maturity to be effective, and schematically teams are a disaster. Nepotism is also rampant, anyone who is an ex-player just waltzes in to a practice here or there and calls himself a coach. I'm embarrassed sometimes to be in any way associated with it.
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Post by fantom on Mar 3, 2012 20:45:20 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Mar 3, 2012 22:05:56 GMT -6
Yeah... we've played against "J" on that list.. I've only coached a team that beat them twice and it was in the same year. They were down that year and we were a tough team.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 4, 2012 1:44:08 GMT -6
I think I am in a pretty good area as far as coaching goes... I live in the east bay and that is where the best teams northern california has to offer come from every year
Nothing too special up north, city teams are usually pretty bad, oakland has talent but coaching is a joke so their teams arent very good,
sac area has some good teams, east bay has some good teams
I think the coaching in the east bay is just as good as anywhere else in the country, there are obviously some crappy coaches but overall id say good quality
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Post by lochness on Mar 5, 2012 10:04:34 GMT -6
It seems weird to say that you judge other coaching staffs, but we all know we do it. I guess here's the types of things I typically look at when I'm evaluating whether I think an opponent is "well coached" or not:
1. Do we see them out scouting every week? I'm amazed at how few staffs actually go scout in person in our division. We split out staff out to 2-3 games per week.
2. How well-coached are they on defense? It seems like our division runs more grab-bag defenses than anyplace I've ever seen. They are all over the place. A lot of them are the types of defenses that just line up and blitz. You know the kind: "We just gonna blitz them fools all night!!!!" We look for good technique, relentless pursuit, and excellent tackling.
3. How well coached is their offensive line as a unit? It may seem unfair, becuase this is usually the responsibility of one coach on a staff...but to me your staff can only be as good as the OL coach. Do the kids work together well? Do they sustain their blocks through the course of the play? Are they disciplined? Do they execute multiple schemes well?
4. Have they been consistent in their offensive system? If we have a staff that changes offenses every 2-3 years, they are usually not a good staff. It's indicative of desperately trying to find something effective, which means the coaches are blaming the systems rather than looking at themselves.
All that said, I think we have 1-2 other teams (yes, I think we fall into the "well coached" bucket...so forgive me the conceit) in an 9 team division I would say are "well coached." Those are the staffs we have the most respect for and we know we have to prepare hard for. Those are the staffs you measure yourself against.
There are 3 teams that are "average." Yes, maybe they work hard and have some areas that are good...but they're all over the place on defense, seem to emphasize Xs and Os over fundamentals, and seem to change offenses at least once ever 2 years (sometimes mid-season).
Then, there are 3 teams that are really poorly coached. You can see it when you go to scout games. Kids throwing helmets, or looking up into the stands. No discipline or technique on defense, grab-baggy "I saw it on TV" offense that changes week-to-week, crap special teams, never see them out scouting, and a "stand up and let them run by you" style of offensive line technique.
So, we have a mixed bag. I'd say staffs I've been on in the past probably fell into the "middle ground" category. Yeah, maybe we had a well coached OL and our defense was solid...but we had lazy people on the staff or issues at certain skill positions, etc. The staff I am on now is top-notch all the way through...I honestly feel like we have rockstars at every position. We push each other, we all care about the kids, and I'm humbled and proud to be a part of it.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 5, 2012 10:18:22 GMT -6
It seems weird to say that you judge other coaching staffs, but we all know we do it. It's not judging from my end; I look at it as a measuring stick for us. But, like I said, it is subjective. Our defense was as simple as simple can get this year, we repped fundamentals constantly and drilled everything with the kids. But, we were the sh-ts, for a lot of reasons. You watch us on film and wonder if we did anything at all with the kids. |
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Post by coachbrek on Mar 5, 2012 11:22:42 GMT -6
1. Do we see them out scouting every week? I'm amazed at how few staffs actually go scout in person in our division. We split out staff out to 2-3 games per week. Then, there are 3 teams that are really poorly coached. You can see it when you go to scout games. Loch, do you have 2-3 coaches skip your games to go scout? I am confused on this one how do you get out to scout when all the teams play Friday nights? |
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Post by tigerpride on Mar 5, 2012 11:47:12 GMT -6
Every time I seem to make a comment about another player or coach from an opponent, it haunts me. I think the coaching and athleticism in my area is excellent. The minute I think differently, I am in trouble.
I do not send coaches to scout. In the day of HUDL, it seems that I have every possible game that my opponent plays anyway.
I do watch my next opponent personally if i am off that night.
I agree with some of the comments above. We drill fundamentals every single day and I watch my team on film and cringe lol.
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Post by fantom on Mar 5, 2012 12:07:14 GMT -6
1. Do we see them out scouting every week? I'm amazed at how few staffs actually go scout in person in our division. We split out staff out to 2-3 games per week. Then, there are 3 teams that are really poorly coached. You can see it when you go to scout games. Loch, do you have 2-3 coaches skip your games to go scout? I am confused on this one how do you get out to scout when all the teams play Friday nights? Not every team plays every game on Friday night. |
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Post by lochness on Mar 5, 2012 13:56:30 GMT -6
1. Do we see them out scouting every week? I'm amazed at how few staffs actually go scout in person in our division. We split out staff out to 2-3 games per week. Then, there are 3 teams that are really poorly coached. You can see it when you go to scout games. Loch, do you have 2-3 coaches skip your games to go scout? I am confused on this one how do you get out to scout when all the teams play Friday nights? All the teams DON'T play Friday nights. We don't have lights, and 3 other teams in our division don't either. Also, lots of teams play their homecoming games Saturday afternoons or even Saturday evenings...and homecoming events are usually spread out from mid-September through mid Oct. Some weekends, we can get to two games besides our own. We also get a "buy" week every year. Our Freshman staff will go out when we play (Fri night or Sat afternoon), and we go to opposite games...usually with the varsity staff splitting into 2 or 3 groups if there are enough games to go see. I hope that clears up any "confusion" you may have had. |
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Post by carookie on Mar 5, 2012 14:09:40 GMT -6
It runs the gamete; there are teams out here that are top 100 in the nation that have been built up from the ground who are tremendous. Even better in my op. are them teams that are just solid fundamentally, and though they may not have the athletes of the bigger schools Id match them up favorably with 95% of the teams in the nation.
Then there are some teams that the coaches think coachiing is running every play you see on tv, madden, a clinic and can draw up on a chaclk board (hey I showed the kids and they can draw it up in a notebook on monday so they better be able to do it). Or some teams who just can't find coaches and drag in some guy off the street (I've seen teams on lower levels and knew we'd beat em just by how they stretched).
To be fair within 30 miles of where I sit right now there are probably 2 million people, so in a larger metro area you are more likely to get such a varried array of talent.
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Post by coachbrek on Mar 5, 2012 15:58:07 GMT -6
Loch, do you have 2-3 coaches skip your games to go scout? I am confused on this one how do you get out to scout when all the teams play Friday nights? All the teams DON'T play Friday nights. We don't have lights, and 3 other teams in our division don't either. Also, lots of teams play their homecoming games Saturday afternoons or even Saturday evenings...and homecoming events are usually spread out from mid-September through mid Oct. Some weekends, we can get to two games besides our own. We also get a "buy" week every year. Our Freshman staff will go out when we play (Fri night or Sat afternoon), and we go to opposite games...usually with the varsity staff splitting into 2 or 3 groups if there are enough games to go see. I hope that clears up any "confusion" you may have had. Loch, I was not trying to be a smart a$$, I would love to scout our opponent there are lots of things you pick up being there in person vs watching some grainy hand held copy of a copy game film. I feel having the chance to scout would be a huge advantage and may be worth losing a position coach on game night. every team on our schedule plays the identical times as we do, no Saturday homecoming games and everyone has lights. In college I took a football coaching class from my head coach, he did his thesis on scouting while working on his masters, he was anal about scouting and we had to scout a high school game every Friday night and turn it in to him and he would grade it. He was very thorough, Lots of things in pregame warm-up who was the punter, how many yards per punt, who was the long snapper ,how deep was the punter, how were the snaps, how long did it take to get the punt off, Same thing on kickoffs, who was the kicker how deep more left or right on his kicks, I think you get a better idea who the fish are on a team when you are there in person, who plays soft who is tough, tons of things you can't pick up on film exchange. It was a great class and I learned a ton and still remember many things from that class twenty plus years later that I still find very usefull today. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 5, 2012 17:05:44 GMT -6
Loch, do you have 2-3 coaches skip your games to go scout? I am confused on this one how do you get out to scout when all the teams play Friday nights? All the teams DON'T play Friday nights. We don't have lights, and 3 other teams in our division don't either. Also, lots of teams play their homecoming games Saturday afternoons or even Saturday evenings...and homecoming events are usually spread out from mid-September through mid Oct. Some weekends, we can get to two games besides our own. We also get a "buy" week every year. Our Freshman staff will go out when we play (Fri night or Sat afternoon), and we go to opposite games...usually with the varsity staff splitting into 2 or 3 groups if there are enough games to go see. I hope that clears up any "confusion" you may have had. We also have a lot of Saturday games in our league, as well as Thursdays, and I agree that fewer coaches are going out and scouting live. |
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Post by realdawg on Mar 5, 2012 17:14:11 GMT -6
Some good. Some bad. A lot average. Then there are a couple schools where I think the HC does about as good as he can but gets no help. One of the worst, has great looking kids. Big, strong looking, some that can run but they are undisiplined, play stand and play high on the lines and run few formations. True pro, spread, and maybe trips is all. Last year on D they were 52 the whole year. When we played them they came out in a 41. After we scored the first two times we touched the ball they made no adjustments. As a matter of fact they set in that 41 the entire game. Never blitzed never changed fronts never changed coverages. Since that coach has been there we have scored more than 40 every year, and I swear I think we could go over there and beat our team with their kids after a year.
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