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Post by boynamedkelly on Feb 27, 2012 21:20:21 GMT -6
I coach middle school, and I wanted to organize teaching the basics, what needs to be covered right off the bat and down the line, in 7th and 8th grade before we send them up to high school.
This is what I've put together so far, based on what my kids seem to be able to handle at what point. For the record, we run the typical simple I offense, and a 4-4 cover 3 zone defense.
Skills by Grade:
7th: ALL Stance ALL Alignment ALL O Run Blocking ALL D Tackling ALL D Zone Coverage ALL Kick-Off ALL Kick Return ALL Punt QB Pass Reads QB Pass Drops QB Play Action QB/RB Handoffs RB Ball Security WR Catching WR Routes (Go, Slant, Hitch, In, Out, Quick Screen) OL Pass Block OL Chop Block DL Punch DL Rip DE/LB Contain LB Strafe DB Backpedal & Plant 8th: ALL No Huddle ALL Shotgun ALL O Motion ALL D Zone Blitz ALL D Man Coverage ALL D Run Fits ALL D How to Fill ALL Extra Point/Field Goal QB Read on the Option QB Fade Pass RB Screen Pass RB Delay Route WR Routes (Fade, Post, Flag, Drag/Mesh, Jet) WR Choice Routes TE Delay Route OL Pulling OL Work to 2nd Level OL Screen Pass Release DL Swim DL Stunt DL Split Double-Team
Anything for the LB's/DB's to learn in 8th grade?
Anything else you would want them to know by the time they got to high school? Any of this more than they need to know in Middle School?
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 28, 2012 7:08:49 GMT -6
It actually sounds closer to being too much than too little, but I don't know your circumstances.
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Post by coachdoug on Feb 28, 2012 9:22:17 GMT -6
I'm not sure you have to have such a difference between 7th and 8th grade - you can pretty much treat them the same. Maybe be a little more demanding of your 8th graders. The specifics of exactly what kind of blocking (zone, pulling, pass pro, screens, etc), coverage (man, C2, C3, etc), routes, etc depends a lot more on your scheme and what skills the players need to know to run that scheme than it does on their age. There is no reason kids a lot younger than 7th grade can't learn to pull, zone block, play man coverage, etc. In fact, man coverage (in my experience) is a lot easier to teach than zone, so if you do want to teach them in separate years, I would start with man.
In any event, there are a few things that jump out from your list. Number 1, you indicate that you're teaching "chop blocking" - I hope you meant "cut blocking" since a chop block is an illegal double team block that often results in serious injury to the defender. Run fits and filling is about as fundamental as defense gets - that should be taught at every age (down to about 5 anyway), so I certainly wouldn't wait a year to get that in. Same for no huddle, motion, and PAT/FG (I've seen teams as young as about 9 convert these consistently). Unless you're running air raid or run n shoot, I see no reason why you would need to use a choice route at the MS level - there is no harm in it if you can coach it and it fits in your scheme, but I certainly wouldn't make it a priority. Same for the swim move and zone blitz. Also, you mentioned option reads - are you planning on running a lot of option? Option is kind of an all or nothing proposition - I wouldn't recommend doing it at all unless it's going to be a big part of your offense - it just takes too many reps to be worthwhile otherwise.
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Post by newt21 on Feb 28, 2012 10:20:04 GMT -6
Do you have two separate teams? Where I am it is 7th and 8th combined, which means that you must teach up to the 7th graders a bit and down a bit to the 8th graders. The biggest thing is basic fundamentals at each position. OL: run blocks, pass sets, and stances; DL: get off the ball, pursue and tackle; LBs: pursue, run fits, and tackling; RBs: reading blocks, ball security, and running through contact; QBs: defensive alignment, crossing throws, and setting the example; DBs: learn to defend the ball not the man, open field tackling, and pursuit; WRs: blocking, catching with hands, and route running. If you block better and tackle better, you will win most of your games.
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Post by boynamedkelly on Feb 28, 2012 14:50:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
I'm a middle school coach, and we've got A and B teams for both 7th and 8th grade. The problem is, all but about 5 of my kids have never played football before. So, we have to start from the very beginning.
I mean... these guys don't know the difference between offense and defense. They don't know the positions. Some days I have my doubts that they even know their goal is to score or stop the other team from scoring, despite what we say. This isn't peewee football in the burbs where I grew up.
So, we start from the top. How to tackle... how to line up... how to block... who to block...
We start with a 4-4 on defense, simple zones so they don't have to figure out which guys is theirs to guard. We line up the same every time.
On offense it's I-formation, starting with toss and lead, simple zone blocking so they know who to get (the guy right in front of them, or the guy on the 2nd level).
From there, I'd like to build into things like cut blocks (yes, I definitely typed the wrong thing really quick), pulling, and screens down the road... double-teams working to the second level, etc.
Passing plays start with locking on to one route, a slant, or a deep ball on play action off of lead. From there we go to a flood type route where they're just reading one CB, whether he sinks deep or stays shallow, and they hit the other guy.
Option read just meant zone read, basically. We run a midline and a zone read as they get more comfortable, and we basically have to tell them before the snap whether they should give it or keep it.
I definitely realize this should be tailored towards what your high school runs, but ours does a little of everything, so I'm just trying to get them prepared in an a logical, layered way.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 28, 2012 17:22:17 GMT -6
First, screw the HS. Second, I would base my expectations on their year of experience. I coach kids with probably far less experience than most of us here, and I definitely see that as being far more important than age.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 8, 2012 0:24:49 GMT -6
Anything for the LB's/DB's to learn in 8th grade? To me, as a middle school coach, the biggest things that LBers need to learn/develop is the ability to take a proper first step, figure out where the ball is going (read), and run the correct angles. Too many times, they want to step back with that first step. They have to learn to take a read step (forward). For the read, I like to key near back, but that varies with coaching. Once they can determine which direction their key is taking them, they have to take a good angle. They need to learn to run at 45 degrees (approximately). Too many times they want to run flat and chase the ball to the sideline. When you get a linebacker doing those things, he's ready to begin high school ball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 19:43:30 GMT -6
We've had the whole "mirroring your high school team" thread, so I'm not opening that up again! But, if "tailoring" to your high school team is important to you--and if it is, that's all that matters-- ask them what they consider the base to be. If they are worth their salt, they've thought down to the junior high level on this, even if they aren't big believers in having the junior high run it. Establish that base and go from there.
I've never coached 7th/8th before, but I have coached 9th grade several years. Without knowing exactly what some of the itmes on your list mean, those would be substantial for some of the 9th grade teams I've coached. Then again, some of the 9th grade teams I've coached were pretty advanced and we were basically running the WHOLE varsity system by the end of the year. Establish a base and go from there, I guess is what I'm saying!
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Post by dijackson08 on Mar 8, 2012 20:37:14 GMT -6
TEACH FUNDAMENTALS EVERYDAY HAVING COMPLEX SCHEMES IN MIDDLE SCHOOL MEANS NOTHING! Teach them to run correctly, tackle, block, and get off blocks. Do this and your high school will love you!
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Post by simione916 on Mar 12, 2012 1:18:06 GMT -6
Great thread! Has anyone ventured to break down a list of fundamentals to earlier grades beginning with the youngest teams?
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