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Post by 42falcon on Feb 19, 2012 11:20:45 GMT -6
Hey guys, we have taken over a program with a group of grade 10's that are out of this world awesome. Great kids, great athletes, they train they are passionate and they buy in.
Our G11's that we are inheriting are the oposite they don't workout, have not bought into the weightroom and figure if they play rugby or wrestle they will be in shape for football. There is a slight sense of entitelment with this group.
We have tried to engage them and they have not really engaged back.
Now I am wondering about trying to run a pizza day / movie after school one day to get everyone together, and try to get these kids together.
Is this a waste of time? Should we just ride it out and see how spring camp goes to do something closer to the start of that season and not waste it now?
I guess I am struggling how to engage these kids we have tried a team meeting, soft sell and we have even tried the listen if you don't train you won't play.
Neither has worked...... They are a by product of a past culture.
Any sugestions?
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Post by bluedevil4 on Feb 19, 2012 15:34:59 GMT -6
We have the same situation. Our freshmen team went undefeated, and our JV team (my team), won two games.
Freshmen team:
-Has had 30+ kids since 7th grade
-Constantly appearing at workouts
-Strong friendship/closeness among the team (a lot of them play baseball together too)
JV:
-Only had 18 (with two freshmen) to start the season. Ended with 15.
-Never goes to workouts, and the three studs on the team will literally tell you they don't need to work out.
-No team/friendship among the players.
Sounds ugly, but as the year went on and as the freshmen started beating on us in practice, and as the varsity coaches started noticing and considering bringing up more freshmen than JV guys...We can tell it lit a fire under some of the JV's arse. The ego players still won't commit.
The message here is that if they see the younger guys are out-working and playing them, and the right guys are being rewarded, they'll have two choices: Quit, or start working.
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Post by 42falcon on Feb 19, 2012 16:45:18 GMT -6
That is where we were at after this weekend as a staff. Most coaches ticked off and saying just what you posted. I guess I was just hoping those other guys would buy in but I guess I can't force them into it if they can't see it.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Feb 19, 2012 21:18:05 GMT -6
You're right. You can't force or make a kid or kids do anything. Sometimes you just get a bad class where no matter what you do you can't change them. Some say it's the coaches fault if you can't get a group of kids motivated. It's only the coach's fault if they didn't do everything in their power to motivate them. The kids themselves have to be willing to be motivated/be open to motivation.
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Post by Coach Vint on Feb 20, 2012 12:33:29 GMT -6
You create the culture and have control over it. My question is, what have you done to create your culture? What is your vision? Is it written down? Do they players know it? What leadership training have you done? What accountability standards do you have in place?
I firmly believe you get exactly what you coach. If you want it to change you change it. It takes time, and every single coach must be on board. Winning is a process, and great teams understand this and do everything they can to build that process.
Put them into teams for the next 8 months. If a player misses a workout, that team pays. Give them points for attendance, grades, work ethic, attitude, and community service. Force them to learn to rely on each other.
The other deal is that if they aren't going to workout, they are not going to play. Period. Sometimes you have to kill the cancer before it spreads.
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Post by 42falcon on Feb 20, 2012 21:41:37 GMT -6
You create the culture and have control over it. My question is, what have you done to create your culture? What is your vision? Is it written down? Do they players know it? What leadership training have you done? What accountability standards do you have in place? I firmly believe you get exactly what you coach. If you want it to change you change it. It takes time, and every single coach must be on board. Winning is a process, and great teams understand this and do everything they can to build that process. Put them into teams for the next 8 months. If a player misses a workout, that team pays. Give them points for attendance, grades, work ethic, attitude, and community service. Force them to learn to rely on each other. The other deal is that if they aren't going to workout, they are not going to play. Period. Sometimes you have to kill the cancer before it spreads. See we are a little hamstrung when it comes to some of the stuff you have written. We have done a ton of mission & vision as well as leadership work with the kids that we have. We just can't get to the G11's they are a strange bunch they don't show to meetings. I had a kid in the weightroom and I said so are you training today he said yes for Rugby...... That's when I launched into the train = playing time buisness. As per our school board policy we can't force these kids to train and we can't hold them accountable in terms of hard and fast consequences ie: miss workouts off the team or punishments. At this point in terms of creating the culture in the way you are talking what we have done is try to make our G10's superfreaks, and as a staff have commited to playing those that train. For example if a G12 next year is marginaly better than a G11 who trained all year we are prepared to sit the G12. The thing is that we don't have to answer for that to a parent group or an AD we can hide a little around that. I'm hoping it gets better as we go. |
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Post by bighit65 on Feb 21, 2012 8:48:02 GMT -6
All great posts here. I could have "liked" each one. Rewarding the young guys that outwork the older kids will open some eyes for sure. When the sophomore gets to pick his gear while the senior who never worked out has to wait it will send a message. NOTHING should be given due to seniority. Not playing time, not equipment, nothing! Sticking to this message everyday will eventually sink in. Of course, you do have to set up a program that gives tangible reasons about how that preference was earned but that is easy. No one has to come to workouts but they don't have to earn first pick of gear either.
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