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Post by CoachCP on Feb 17, 2012 7:43:50 GMT -6
Besides the obvious, "we want more detail, practice ideas, drills, blah blah blah", what do you always say you want more of?
I'm not going to lie, I feel like 70% of the clinic speakers in my area are made up from 3-4, wing t, and spread teams year in and year out (or... if there are 21 personnel or 4-3 teams speaking, they're not providing great detail).
I wish there was a greater variety of position coaches speaking about position related topics too. I feel like there are always 2 big college/NFL name OL coaches. I wouldn't mind listening to a great high school OL coach.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 17, 2012 7:47:24 GMT -6
I always wish coaches would tell more about what gives them problems with what they are talking about and how they adjust and fix those problems.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 17, 2012 11:02:32 GMT -6
Saw a coach speak at a clinic and he has won multiple state titles in our state... Past 10 years big time power house. Thought it was interesting that he called both the offense and defense as head coach..
Well that night we have coaches social and there whole staff comes back to my our hotel and we as a staff try and pick their brain.... All the usual questions you ask...
Well one was "hey what defenses give you problems"... What plays do you like to run against these fronts/stunts...
Their answer "All of them"... I am like "All of them"... He said we run trap/zone/counter/dive.... We run it all and it all works...
I am like "what"....
He said our offense is unstoppable and it all works... Not detail, no explanation... nothing... Just whatever they run against any front or stunt... it works...
I listen for another 10 - 15 minutes and I realized two things..
1. Many of these schools rely strictly on talent...
2. Now I know why the head coach does everything himself... His assistants were basically just "paid babysitters"...
Like you said I like to pull the guys aside and pick their brains on what they like, do not like... Try to get the details.. The good teams have answers...
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 17, 2012 11:13:04 GMT -6
bigmoo73,
Great points. I absolutely relate. There is a difference between a coach being very confident in their system and cocky with it. There are 4-6 schools in our section that football is number 1 in their school. They get the top athletes and can win despite what they do or don't do. I find much more value listening to the coaches who have been able to be successful in a school where football is one of many sports and the athletes you get are a cross section.
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Post by fantom on Feb 17, 2012 11:22:18 GMT -6
Well that night we have coaches social That's what's missing at a lot of the big clinics-the coaches' social. That's where you really get to sit down and pick somebody's brain and that's where you get to network. I'm not talking about inviting coaches to go to the hotel bar. The best thing about the old clinics used to be when they opened up one of the meeting rooms and had a few whiteboards and a keg. That's what I've missed at the clinics that I've attended the last few years. |
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2012 11:28:35 GMT -6
At our state coaches' association clinic the board of directors decided not to serve beer at the Social - which had already been cut from when the kegs ran out to an hour and a half (ending at midnight).
They relented slightly, selling beer ($4 for 12-oz. bottle, $3 for a draft) at the gathering.
Executive Director made a reference to our "enlightened society" in explaining the change.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 17, 2012 11:29:57 GMT -6
Biggest problem is not sticking to the title of their presentation
I don't need 30 minutes of you describing your school or background, keep the intro to 5 minutes or less.
Also you can't learn a whole offense in 1 hour... I'd much rather have a narrowed specific focus... Don't tell me you're whole spread offense... Give me just 1 maybe 2 plays... And the way you teach it, install it, rep it, call it, if/then adjustments...
A clinic is a dangerous thing for a coach because you can get just enough info to want to use all this shiny new stuff, but not enough detail and understanding to really be able to implement it solely based off that
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Post by flingt on Feb 17, 2012 11:48:33 GMT -6
Halftime adjustments, teaching the same thing different ways, new drills. Most clinics I go to I sit for an hour and get one thing.
I did hear Bruce Cobleigh speak a couple of years ago and could have filled an entire notebook. One of the better clinicians I have heard.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 17, 2012 21:21:16 GMT -6
I wanna see more speakers teaching the nuts and bolts of a play. Not just the x and o but what you teach the kids fundamentally to make it work. Also love to see new ways to teach fundamentals and drills from position coaches. Went to Charlotte Glazier today and heard two great speakers do just that.
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Post by coachorr on Feb 17, 2012 23:55:46 GMT -6
How to decide which kids play where in said scheme. Is the Q the most important? If so, what specific skill does he need to have as a God given and what skills can you teach, for example.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 18, 2012 6:54:10 GMT -6
Well that night we have coaches social That's what's missing at a lot of the big clinics-the coaches' social. That's where you really get to sit down and pick somebody's brain and that's where you get to network. I'm not talking about inviting coaches to go to the hotel bar. The best thing about the old clinics used to be when they opened up one of the meeting rooms and had a few whiteboards and a keg. That's what I've missed at the clinics that I've attended the last few years. Its interesting you mention this..I was talking last week to a coach that has been a Glazier speaker for well over 20 years and he said the same thing...he said back in the day they just didn't fly you in and out like they do now, you got to go to another clinic see some friends..he said it was more like a business now....a couple of other points, when I was a college coach, I would go to the clinics and listen but also hang w/ the HS coches in my area..thought it was great for recruiting plus it was fun...you almost NEVER see a college coach just sitting and listening in a clinic..the sad thing is that they are no smarter than me or you..The best clinic IMO have breakout sessions...the big NE clinic in Rhode Island was famous for this..not sure if they still do this but you could watch an AWESOME coach for an hour and then go to a small room and see mark whipple talk w/ like 6 people in the room....my best story was back in the mid 90's, I stayed up to 3am talking w/ John Strollo and Coach Mcnally in the lobby just drinking beers and talking ball..one of the best football days in my life...I brought my wife because it was in Newport RI that year and she never saw me..LOL |
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Post by highball007 on Feb 18, 2012 9:02:39 GMT -6
What I wish there was more of at clinics:
1: Game Planning ideas and explanations of how they break down film and divide the work over their staff, and how they get info to players and install each week.
2: Program Ideas (HS), Fundraising, player relations, off-season work, exit interviews, things along those lines.
3:Open Forum integrated with the socials. I wish there was a table and a bunch of lets say Offensive coaches could go and they fill out a 2 question survey throw it into the bucket and the Table Master would pull one out and the table discusses the concerns written down.
The survey would be 1) What problem are you trying to solve this off-season? 2) What is your Offensive style or system?
I know there are coaches at the clinics I go to that have solved the problems I am having. I shouldn't have to (not that I won't or haven't) go introduce myself to 200 coaches just to find the one that had my same problem in a similar circumstance.
We have all encountered different problems and we have all encountered the same problems, I am just interested in solving them any means necessary!
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Post by coachcb on Feb 18, 2012 16:06:24 GMT -6
1. Less Xs and Os talk. I can dig around and get playbooks and I don't need to sit through an hour of chalk talk.
2. More specificity in installing schemes. I don't really care what you run; I want to know how it's taught.
3. More high school and small college coaches. I have a hard time relating to a big college or NFL coach; our world is very different.
4. More discussion on sports psychology and interacting with players. Id like to know how certain coaches get their kids motivated.
5. Finally, just more detail in general. The best speaker I have ever seen spoke for an hour on DE play in the 4-3. He pulled coaches up and showed technique and teaching points for everything from beating a reach block to pass rush stuff. Very, very detailed explanations.
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Post by bgj on Feb 18, 2012 17:06:03 GMT -6
Tables to write on!
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Post by gapshoot76 on Feb 18, 2012 18:55:59 GMT -6
Halftime adjustments, teaching the same thing different ways, new drills. Most clinics I go to I sit for an hour and get one thing. I did hear Bruce Cobleigh speak a couple of years ago and could have filled an entire notebook. One of the better clinicians I have heard. Bruce is amazing!!! I hate the defensive pressure package talks. It's always the same stunts and they just show off their athletes making big plays. Also hate it when they are talking about how simple things are blah blah and they start showing film and point out 3 d-1 kids Chances are if i'm coming to watch you i already have a base knowledge of your basic defense or offense. I want to hear more of where are your kids eyes, what reads do you make, how do your techniques change for coverages and alignments. How do you adjust your defense to different for formations and motions. I want the down and dirty stuff. The real coaching stuff! |
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Post by jlenwood on Feb 18, 2012 19:03:59 GMT -6
If anyone has seen Kerry Combs from The University of Cincinnati, that is what I want to see at clinics. I saw him last year and he went into great detail on secondary play. Not scheme, but technique and how to teach it.
We saw him this year and he went over drills and explained his process with special teams. It was great.
Also, Tim Beckman from Illinois broke off and spent 2 hours talking secondary play with about 8 of us in a room. Good stuff.
I don't want to hear some guys life story, or some comedy routine. Just give us some details on how you teach what your specialty is, and engage the attendees so everyone walks away with some useful knowledge.
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Post by coachjjd on Feb 18, 2012 21:09:54 GMT -6
fundamentals, technique, fundamentals, technique.
Just got back from the NNJ Glazier, and Vanderlinden was by far the best for me. Because he stressed technique. Not installing different blitzes, coverages, etc. But technique.
The big problem for the guys trying to show different packages is the time frame. You just can't get it done in a hour. Like someone said, I don't need you to waste 30 minutes on your backround. Most likely I already know about you, that's why I chose your session. But I really don't blame them for that, they're just trying to make a connection. It's really the time frame problem.
Also if you ever get a chance to see Jerry Azzinaro, Dline coach from Oregon, DO IT!
I'm not sure how much or if any I can actually use from his scheme stuff, but it was just great to hear the man talk football.
I had plans to bounce around today, but instead I stayed and listened to him for 5 hrs. And it was worth it.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 18, 2012 23:08:37 GMT -6
At eh Phoenix glazier this year I listened to a Arizona HS HC that had an amazingly detailed presentation on defense and he started the talk with a simple phrase: Coaches, I have been to too many of these clinics before and all I got was too many ideas. I am not here to waste your time. Let's get down to it." he also went on to give us his links to all this material from his presentations so that we could focus on his descriptions and less on drawing things.
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Post by highball007 on Feb 19, 2012 10:19:37 GMT -6
Saintrad,
So where is the links??? I would liek to check his stuff out!
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 19, 2012 11:54:05 GMT -6
I'm definitely with Bdud on the narrower topics front. I don't want two hours on The Bluegrass College Air Raid, give me two hours on your mesh concept. I already know how to put up slides of 49 different concepts, I don't need to hear what amounts to ESPN level stuff. Even narrower than that, maybe something like "TE pass route releases."
And one more thing, I detest seeing highlights of a play that gained a ton of yards, but not because the play worked. Show me a cut-up of plays gaining 5 yards with perfect assignments, not three blown blocks, two missed tackles, a great move by the runner, and then he just outruns everybody.
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Post by warriorofthepast on Feb 19, 2012 14:03:02 GMT -6
Coach Tuke from Toledo did it right at Glazier Dallas. Dove right in, had video of drill work, practice work, game work.... it was good
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Post by coachks on Feb 19, 2012 14:27:16 GMT -6
High School special teams. I think that is the one area that has the biggest difference between the upper levels and the high school level.
Hearing that you need to find a kicker who can put it inside the 5 with atleast a 4 second hang-time isn't helpful. Our kid struggles to kick a line drive inside the 20. We have opponents who are in the same boat, so we can not base our KOR on the assumption we are going to have a deep, high kick either.
Learning how to train a kicker and how to utilize "weak" legged kickers and return against squibbers and what not would be far more useful.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 19, 2012 14:35:45 GMT -6
Strength and conditioning sessions-- of course Boyd Eply was at the cincy Glazier, I will never make that mistake again!
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Post by glazierclinics on Feb 20, 2012 11:13:28 GMT -6
Great ideas everybody. I'm gonna make sure we print this thread for our directors meeting this summer. Keep the ideas coming...
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Post by lochness on Feb 20, 2012 15:48:35 GMT -6
The most interesting clinic talks that I've ever attended have been when a guy spends a ton of time on basic skill work, teaching progressions, etc. for a position. I've only seen OL and DB coaches do this in our area though.
But, if you have a good speaker, and they know their position well, it's absolutely awesome.
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2012 15:58:02 GMT -6
Unlike a lot of guys, I like the X and O lectures. Even though, as some have said, Blitz lectures often show the same blitzes, I still like them. Everybody runs them a little differently or has a different coaching point so I find these to be useful.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 20, 2012 16:10:21 GMT -6
This does remind me of something in 2002... Our staff went to see VA Tech for a couple of days. Last day the DC at Tech Bud Foster gave us 6 hour clinic (8 - 2). We ran their scheme and we asked im every question under the sun... If he was a high school coach how would he defend
wing t
single wing
option
power I
You get the point. he was awesome... Did not big time us...Never said they famous "well we do not get that at our level".... How many of you have heard that one. He gave it all to us but more importantly what he would do if he was us with our resources, kids, abilities.. Basically how he would run his defense at the high school level.. By far the best clinic from a college coach I ever had. Especially considering how good he is and reputation.
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Post by warriorofthepast on Feb 20, 2012 16:36:50 GMT -6
lochness, if you get a chance to hear Tuke from Toledo I bet you would enjoy it. Very detailed and specific technique for LB play. I was not excited to listen to it but was limited to what defensive choices there were during that particular session. I walked out of there a big fan. I'll stop trying to sell him now but again, he was a great speaker and I was very impressed.
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Post by gapshoot76 on Feb 20, 2012 17:21:26 GMT -6
lochness, if you get a chance to hear Tuke from Toledo I bet you would enjoy it. Very detailed and specific technique for LB play. I was not excited to listen to it but was limited to what defensive choices there were during that particular session. I walked out of there a big fan. I'll stop trying to sell him now but again, he was a great speaker and I was very impressed. Saw Tuke 2 years ago when he was with NIU at Chicago Glazier. He is exactly what I would like to see for every position on the football field. If Glazier can do that, I would be very impressed. Phil Elmassian from U Mass was very similar this year. Pretty good stuff! |
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Post by saintrad on Feb 20, 2012 18:48:38 GMT -6
I really enjoyed the SMU WR coach, Reinhold, on his explanation of their work.. from drill work, to teaching progressions, to what the philosophy was, and how how to run it in game. He talked for three hours, no break.
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