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Post by brandonk on Apr 2, 2007 14:51:34 GMT -6
I've read many posts and heard about the layered handoffs teams in Michigan use.
I was wondering if someone could explain the concept better.
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Post by poweriguy on Apr 2, 2007 14:59:34 GMT -6
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Post by lochness on Apr 2, 2007 15:58:18 GMT -6
Wow,
That is very interesting.
Groundchuck, if you are listening, whaddya think in terms of Belly Series??
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Post by hchscoachtom on Apr 2, 2007 19:53:23 GMT -6
Yeah, it's very interesting, especially when the RB's are wearing black arm bands with white tape wrapped around on the ends. Makes it near impossible to see who has the ball. But the real deceptive part of this ball carrying method is that all the RB's do with or without the ball, and will do so 20, 30 yards down field. You should see the number of ref's confused on who the ball carrier is too.
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Post by fort on Apr 3, 2007 9:03:18 GMT -6
Does any non-T teams use this? Very interesting stuff. I hadn't heard about it before.
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Post by midlineqb on Apr 3, 2007 10:00:02 GMT -6
This is an interesting concept on taking the handoff but seems to me it would slow the ball carrier down as he runs. I like the idea that all the backs are doing this even on fakes so that the defense cannot see who has the ball, though.
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bigcroz
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Post by bigcroz on Apr 3, 2007 13:02:36 GMT -6
Most of the backs only run about 75% UNTIL they break into the open then ball goes into 1 arm and they are off. Really hard to find the ball if you don't follow your keys. Can't tell you how many inadvertant whistles are caused by this deception.
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Post by tog on Apr 3, 2007 19:26:33 GMT -6
loch, this does look like something that would help a double dive team
from my belly novice belly of a mind
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 3, 2007 19:31:42 GMT -6
Might work in Michigan, but NO WAY WOULD IT WORK IN PA! lol' Of course I am absolutely kidding, that is the kind of stupid stuff that folks around here say when it comes to football things THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT.  |
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 3, 2007 23:08:29 GMT -6
Probably puts a damper on any kind of option football, at least meshing, don't know if would work with pointers.
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Post by go42 on Apr 4, 2007 18:23:12 GMT -6
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Post by mcgusto on Apr 5, 2007 8:50:10 GMT -6
We run the Fullhouse T, and for the last two years we've had all of our backs take the handoff layered, but we are changing back to a conventional style handoff for our halfbacks. Our Fullback will still take the handoff layered.
We found that it is hard to "Share" the ball on the off-tackle and keep plays when the HB is layered. This led to some bad meshes and a few fumbles. When you're layered, the ball is either in or out, it's very hard to have that good long ride. I guess this is due to the fact that the QB has to "lift" the ball into the layered pocket, rather than place it into his belly.
The other problem is if your QB doesn't lift the ball high enough into the layer, and the ball hits the RB in the gut (Or lower), and the ball pops out.
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Post by kkennedy on Apr 5, 2007 12:28:57 GMT -6
Yeah, it's very interesting, especially when the RB's are wearing black arm bands with white tape wrapped around on the ends. Makes it near impossible to see who has the ball. But the real deceptive part of this ball carrying method is that all the RB's do with or without the ball, and will do so 20, 30 yards down field. You should see the number of ref's confused on who the ball carrier is too. Black arm pads YES. White tape wrapped around the pads NO. that is a no no by the mhsaa and has been for quite some time. Armpads can be black or white CANNOT be brown and must not have any stripes. |
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Post by kkennedy on Apr 5, 2007 12:30:26 GMT -6
Does any non-T teams use this? Very interesting stuff. I hadn't heard about it before. We used to be a T team and we switched to the single wing last season. Kept the layered handoff and never missed a beat. If you think it was tricky to find the ball layered out of the T you should see it layered out of the single wing. |
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Post by kkennedy on Apr 5, 2007 12:34:59 GMT -6
We run the Fullhouse T, and for the last two years we've had all of our backs take the handoff layered, but we are changing back to a conventional style handoff for our halfbacks. Our Fullback will still take the handoff layered. We found that it is hard to "Share" the ball on the off-tackle and keep plays when the HB is layered. This led to some bad meshes and a few fumbles. When you're layered, the ball is either in or out, it's very hard to have that good long ride. I guess this is due to the fact that the QB has to "lift" the ball into the layered pocket, rather than place it into his belly. The other problem is if your QB doesn't lift the ball high enough into the layer, and the ball hits the RB in the gut (Or lower), and the ball pops out. If you can get it right it can be deadly for you. Climax Scotts (mi) won div 8 title in 2004 they layered AND meshed on keep. At the end of the first half the qb had 3 carries for 94 yards and 2 tds. The mesh and the layered handoff had ALOT to do with it. |
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Post by coachjoe3 on Apr 5, 2007 13:47:10 GMT -6
Liked it a lot, except with some of the little guys at jr. high level. Some kids just didn't have long enough arms to maintain the form the way we wanted it. Some kids could do it in a snap though and it worked great.
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