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Post by ogre5530 on Feb 9, 2012 13:27:28 GMT -6
How do you guys share your athletes and time during the summer with the other sports? We had a baseball coach sign up a fresh-soph and varsity team (first time ever) in a baseball league that takes up all of June and half of July. He didn't check with other sports before doing this and all football and weightlifting was is scheduled from 4-7 PM.
How do you handle this when we have incentive programs in place for athletes making weightroom dates, but a fellow coach who basically undermines you?
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Post by fantom on Feb 9, 2012 13:33:23 GMT -6
Forget the incentives. Best players play.
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Post by ogre5530 on Feb 9, 2012 13:36:19 GMT -6
We've done that previously and without the incentives, but I coach at a high school where the best players also could be in gangs, on drugs, etc. We've played the best players and have it burn us big time because when crunch time came they folded because of no committment to the offseason or they ruined team chemistry.
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Post by blb on Feb 9, 2012 13:36:42 GMT -6
In a situation like that you need a strong AD who can help mediate so there are no undue conflicts for the kids or between programs.
We do our summer workouts in the morning so kids can't use Baseball or any evening activity as an excuse to miss.
We only do a few 7-on-7s and on a night where Baseball isn't playing-practicing (our Baseball coach has cooperated with us).
And our three-day camp is mornings-only last week in July.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 9, 2012 13:51:52 GMT -6
We are pretty lucky that recently we have been allowed to put on helmets and shoulder pads for pre-season work outs in July. Kind of sends a message to kids playing summer sports that we are doing some real work getting ready for football season, so you better get there. We have had a few kids who put summer ball over football workouts, needless to say they were not a big help to us during football and the other players saw what happens when you fall behind in summer.
Most of our guys are good about keeping a balance and tend to miss as little football as possible during the summer.
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Post by ogre5530 on Feb 9, 2012 13:58:44 GMT -6
Luckily,our AD just scheduled a meeting in the last hour so we can get this ironed out. We also have just been allowed to put full pads on in the summer after an acclimaztion period so those people may miss a lot of the serious football work and put themselves behind which would take care of itself.
It's just unfortunate it had to get to the AD to intervene.
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Post by ogre5530 on Feb 9, 2012 13:59:57 GMT -6
We also used to do morning, but we'd have anywhere from 10-20 kids miss because of summer school and summer driver's ed so that was a big reason we moved to afternoon.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 9, 2012 14:03:37 GMT -6
Welcome to coaching coach... just set a program up and set the standards you can live with and just go from there. Work your tail off recruiting the kids and get a core group that you can count on being there all the time. I know a couple of programs around here have a "no summerschool" policy. basically, if they NEED summerschool, they just cut themselves from football.
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Post by coachks on Feb 9, 2012 14:28:30 GMT -6
We also used to do morning, but we'd have anywhere from 10-20 kids miss because of summer school and summer driver's ed so that was a big reason we moved to afternoon. We do mornings 3-days a week and 2 afternoons. If you can't make the morning, you should be able to make the afternoon. If you can't consistantly make either time, then either football isn't that important to you or you won't be able to play during the season anyway. (obviously, reasonable exceptions apply).
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 9, 2012 15:44:45 GMT -6
I'm really growing more opposed to all sports developing "season creep." we can't complain about AAU basketball of we have 9 months of the year blocked off. Specialization here starts at grade 6 or 7, and every sport is losing out on quality players because of it.
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Post by dacoordinator on Feb 10, 2012 12:38:24 GMT -6
this is the toughest part for us. While we ware a small 4 A school, its still hard to get kids to come out during the summer because of AAU basketball, wrestling, track and baseball. We tell them to come as much as they can. But we always run into the problem of, their current coach said they had to be at such and such in order for them to play that weekend. Come to find out down the road they did not.
Its just a tough scenario, because you don't want to limit the kids in the amount of activities they do. But when things like this happens, its hard not to tell them they have to come...
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Post by superpower on Feb 10, 2012 13:07:38 GMT -6
I'm really growing more opposed to all sports developing "season creep." we can't complain about AAU basketball of we have 9 months of the year blocked off. Specialization here starts at grade 6 or 7, and every sport is losing out on quality players because of it. WORD! I remember a time not all that long ago when kids weren't expected to be working on organized school sports all summer long. Too often we (adults) forget that football will never be as important to most (almost all) of our players as it is to us. Specialization is leading to burnout in more and more young athletes. Too often adults are taking the fun out of organized sports by placing too many demands on the kids' time. Put yourself in the shoes of a typical 15-16 year old boy and ask yourself how you would feel about having to meet all of the demands that are being placed on you if you wish to be a multi-sport athlete. We ask our football players to lift weights for an hour in the morning 4 times a week for the summer, and we have a one week team camp (really just 3.5 days) that we ask them to attend. That is it. We are a small school in a small rural community. Most of our players have summer jobs, and many of them are involved in summer baseball and summer basketball. A large number of them are involved in wrestling camps as well. Their parents make them go on family vacation. I don't want to add any more things that they "have to do." I also wonder how important all of the summer activities really are. Obviously strength and conditioning is important in developing athletic ability and preventing injuries, but not going to team camps at colleges and not doing 7 on 7 has not hurt our program in the least. We have made the playoffs for 5 consecutive years; we have been in the semifinals once and in the quarterfinals twice in the past 3 years; we have had 11 players sign to play at the next level (including a DI this year) in the past 5 years. cclement is right when he says that it is difficult to complain about other sports if we are going to have such high demands during the off-season.
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Post by carookie on Feb 10, 2012 21:43:22 GMT -6
You have X amount of workouts to make between January and August. If you play another sport on our campus then that counts towards your workouts during THEIR season, summer league baseball does not.
We have workouts scheduled from 8 am to 230 pm in the summer, kids can make it in. Had one kid playing all kinds of baseball (ended up getting a D1 scholarship) he missed a few passing tournaments, but made the weight room in the mornings.
I'm leery to accept the best kids play because that insinuates their is no penalty for missing the weight room. In HS you have kids who will naturally be one of the best athletes on your team even if they never work at it, and they know it. Without extrinsic motivation a number of these kids will not workout enough, and hence not get better. They still may be the best on your team, but not the best they could be.
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Post by love353football on Feb 11, 2012 3:51:38 GMT -6
Kids tend to be stretched too thin.
They want to play summer baseball or hoops, have a job and still be part of the football program.
The kids arent going to change, I suggest you do.
We do all of our lifting, year round, at 6 oclock in the morning. We are finished by 7:30 so they are free to do whatever else they want to do. If they have summer school, they are all set, if they have a job, usually they can still workout. If they play other sports, they are fine. If they have a girl friend, no problem.
We do our football camps the same way, we lift first, then go out for our summer installation.
Every situation is different though, you might be better off doing everything after 9pm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 7:49:45 GMT -6
I still love the irony of summer baseball being so frowned upon!
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 11, 2012 11:31:05 GMT -6
I have summer strength and conditioning from 6-8PM on Monday through Thursday. We have 6 weeks so I expect 18 attended. (I allow that a week of vacation will be taken and a couple of emergency days) Anything less than 18 attended causes an extra 45 minute conditioning session after each day of doubles until they get 18. They also have to achieve a minimum score on my pre-season test or they have that conditioning session all of doubles. If they score above a quite high level, all bets are off and they are OK no matter what ones they attended. This allows a kid who is gone all summer to still be OK provided he did the necessary work on his own. The extra conditioning sessions are easy to justify as I would be REMISS to allow him to play a collision sport like football and not think of his safety by preparing him properly. Now, I don't care what else they do. It's covered. If they don't want to committ...oh well. I also give shirts for achieving all the summer workouts or achieving certain exceptional levels. I usually give out 8-12 varsity shirts each year
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