jjbtx
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Post by jjbtx on Jan 3, 2007 0:20:40 GMT -6
What do ya'll use for a snap count? Do you use one, two or three syllable snap count?
I continually read that coaches want their players to go when the players hear the "h", but the "t" has the heavy sound.
I was thinking the hard consonant sound sound be at the beginning of the word so the players get off the ball faster.
I found a quick paragraph in Tom Flores book stating Dr. Fred Miller did a thesis on snap count. He concluded a three syllable snap count gives OL firing off the ball quicker.
In addtion, I have read tonight that there is about a 0.2 second delay from the time the QB says the words to the time it is intrepted by OL.
What are your opinions?
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Post by cc on Jan 3, 2007 0:30:51 GMT -6
Sounds like teaching poetry to me lol...
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jjbtx
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Post by jjbtx on Jan 3, 2007 0:42:33 GMT -6
I think a coach that won a Superbowl then writes a book with a section about snap count and cadences might have a little more insight into the game than I. I am going to at least investigate what he is writing.
I believe it is these little insights that seperates a good coach from a great coach. Of course, this can be applied to any field, not just football.
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Post by cc on Jan 3, 2007 2:34:09 GMT -6
Agreed. Just all the syllable talk was giving me nightmares...sorry...jk...
We go on the Hu of Hut...The pitch change to the U is stressed as the T is too late...
However if we quick count we go on the G of Go...
I too would like to see more about this as mastering the cadence and being able to change it up is essential and any way to improve my understanding would be appreciated!
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Jan 3, 2007 8:27:07 GMT -6
Coach: Run every play on the same count. When defenses start timing your "cadence", run a No Play and pocket the free 5 yards.
The more important effect will be that the defense is now in conflict between what is obviously a brain-dead snap count on your part, and the fact that, if and when they jump on your next No Play, they will hear about it on their sideline...
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Post by chiefscoach on Jan 3, 2007 8:34:35 GMT -6
Coach: Run every play on the same count. When defenses start timing your "cadence", run a No Play and pocket the free 5 yards. The more important effect will be that the defense is now in conflict between what is obviously a brain-dead snap count on your part, and the fact that, if and when they jump on your next No Play, they will hear about it on their sideline... I don't necessarily agree. I believe that changing it up constantly will still once in a while get you the 5 yrds. but more importantly keeps the defense a half step slow on everyplay, because they are not ever really sure of the count. Just my thought.
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Jan 3, 2007 8:48:27 GMT -6
I don't necessarily agree. I believe that changing it up constantly will still once in a while get you the 5 yrds. but more importantly keeps the defense a half step slow on everyplay, because they are not ever really sure of the count. And you can do this without having your own guys jump? You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din...
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rooster
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Post by rooster on Jan 3, 2007 9:41:49 GMT -6
We don't change the snap count, instead we change the tempo. Seems like when we tried changing the count we would be the ones to jump off sides.
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Post by sls on Jan 3, 2007 9:55:00 GMT -6
I am with Ted on this one. Have tried different counts and one of my guys jump. Went to long count no play and I actually get the yards. IF the defense does not jump, the QB calls a base play.
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jjbtx
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Post by jjbtx on Jan 3, 2007 10:24:51 GMT -6
I was reading on John T. Reed's website last night that a DIV 1 national champs, did not mention team or year, always went on one snap count. He did it with several teams and had mixed results.
In practice we always do every thing on snap counts on three, four or five, especially at the end when they are tired. When you are tired is when you really need to concentrate. That is when most mental errors are made.
I do think there is validity in using at least a two syllable snap count. I guess you can compare this with a race car. If you have dragsters each with different lights, one has a yellow light before the green light and the other with just the green the yellow-green light guy will start faster the the green only.
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Post by cc on Jan 3, 2007 11:55:44 GMT -6
Spurrier had is Gators go on 2 most of the time. Then it is easier to change it up and go on one. Once they get 2 down the others are easier to change to. But if you start with one then its a harder transition. Not that we do it...its a theory...
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zexx14
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Post by zexx14 on Jan 3, 2007 12:00:15 GMT -6
Didn't use a cadence all season. 0 procedure calls 5 defensive offsides calls.
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coache
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Post by coache on Jan 3, 2007 12:11:30 GMT -6
We are a no-huddle spread team and go on 2 - the change up is with a color and is on 1 - we flash every play and the defense gets into a rythym of getting set with us and when we go on 1 there has been several times we have caught the D-Line on a knee, or a LB out of position and those kinds of things - I know a lot of spread teams let the center call the snap after being signaled ready by the QB - I still like the QB calling the snap - We don't do alot of motion (some fly), but when we do he has to be in charge of when the balls snapped.
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