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Post by 94dragons on Jan 31, 2012 7:51:10 GMT -6
I would like some help with practice scheduling for a 7-8 yr old team. I have been coaching at the HS level for the last 7 years so this is going to be a pretty big change. We will be practicing 3 nights a week during the season for 1.5-2 hours each. We do not have Special Teams in our league so it really frees up a lot of time for O and D. If it helps we will be running the Hybrid Wing-t offense and 4-4 defense. Also, what are your thoughts on conditioning for this age group. Is it really necessary?
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Post by coachbigbri on Jan 31, 2012 10:29:19 GMT -6
I would like some help with practice scheduling for a 7-8 yr old team. I have been coaching at the HS level for the last 7 years so this is going to be a pretty big change. We will be practicing 3 nights a week during the season for 1.5-2 hours each. We do not have Special Teams in our league so it really frees up a lot of time for O and D. If it helps we will be running the Hybrid Wing-t offense and 4-4 defense. Also, what are your thoughts on conditioning for this age group. Is it really necessary? IMO, you can condition them by running your offense plays in practice quickly. Run play after play, having them run up to the line each time. This is fun for them and at this age level they don't even realize they are conditioning. Doing too many conditioning drills at this age level seems to turn off some of the kids from the game, and we should be getting them to have fun, especially since this is likely their first experience of playing the game. I am in a league where we do have kickoffs and you can punt. At this age level punting is not a good idea though. So we spend a little time at practice on learning our kick coverage, how to onside kick, and then how to recover onside kicks and so forth. The rest of the time we do defense and offense. I save offense for last so that the "conditioning" through reps of plays happens towards the end of practice. We work on the proper tackling techniques every practice, and work on making sure everyone knows their defensive assignments. We do drills to learn pursuit, how to recover fumbles, etc. We also do drills for covering receivers man-to-man. I will tell you that in my opinion the 7-8 year old age level is going to have a very hard time learning zone pass coverage.....extremely hard time in fact. Offensively we work on blocking assignments at every practice. We rep our center to QB snap like crazy and we rep our plays over and over again. I've found that in general you have a lot of kids that have never played football before and some don't even understand what a touchdown is on day one. Some don't know that touchdowns are 6 points and so forth. So learning some of the basics like proper tackling, how to block, how to take a QB/center snap, how to hand off to a running back, how a running takes a handoff, and head/neck safety are very important to the success of the team. I've coached middle school and high school in the past and have found coaching at this lower youth level to be so much more rewarding. Good luck coach!
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Post by jrk5150 on Jan 31, 2012 10:35:44 GMT -6
If you have a little $ to spare, head over to Dave Cisar's winning youth football dot com site and get some of his material. He is generally considered a practice scheduling guru for youth football. High paced, high intensity, and extremely efficient. While he's showing you how to practice his systems, you can take a lot out of it without running his stuff.
Another option is to go over to the Dum Coach youth coaching forum. There are a lot of very experienced youth coaches over there - more than on here.
If you do go over to that forum, you might not want to mention what you're running for O and D unless you're open to feedback about it. That's a lot of scheme to bite off for that age group.
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Post by coachdoug on Jan 31, 2012 12:40:38 GMT -6
I agree completely with coachbigbri and jrk5150 and would add the following. Make sure you keep it fun and focus on fundamentals. If the kids are learning some skills and having a good time, they will keep coming back and develop a love for the game. If you make them miserable with hard core conditioning or drills to "develop toughness" you'll lose them to soccer or basketball or baseball or whatever. Having said that, it's no fun to lose badly, so don't think I'm saying don't enforce any discpline at practice, either (that's actually worse than overdoing it). If you practice at a high pace, minimize standing around time (multiple stations with high reps and short lines), make drills competitive, and coach "on the run," the kids will learn a lot, develop good skills and fundies, and end up having a great time in the process.
If, OTOH, you have two kids doing a drill while 30 stand in line watching and then the coaches stop after every rep to lecture their "coaching points" and the coaches do a lot of yelling but not a lot of teaching, and the drills are not competitive (i.e. hitting bags all the time instead of head-to-head with a winner and loser for each rep), then the kids are going to get bored and not have fun, and you're probably not going to be very successful. (BTW, I'm not implying that you would do any of these things - as an experienced HS coach, I'm sure you already know all that, but I wanted to make the point for any new youth coaches that may be reading this.)
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Post by 94dragons on Jan 31, 2012 13:24:19 GMT -6
Thanks for the input coaches. I will definitely check out Dave's stuff. As far as this being a lot of scheme for this group, I don't think that will be an issue. We will only be running about 6 plays (Jet Series) with maybe 5 formations on offense. The kids in this league start playing when they are 6 so they have been in the game. Now what they will remember from last year is another story. We will be running Jet, FB Trap, QB Trap, WB Counter trap, FB Fold (Belly G) and Jet Fold (Red Light). These are all pretty much 1 blocking scheme and backfield action. Do you guys think this will be to much. We will just be base on defense, maybe working a blitz or 2 in as the season progresses.
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Post by coachbigbri on Jan 31, 2012 14:04:44 GMT -6
Thanks for the input coaches. I will definitely check out Dave's stuff. As far as this being a lot of scheme for this group, I don't think that will be an issue. We will only be running about 6 plays (Jet Series) with maybe 5 formations on offense. The kids in this league start playing when they are 6 so they have been in the game. Now what they will remember from last year is another story. We will be running Jet, FB Trap, QB Trap, WB Counter trap, FB Fold (Belly G) and Jet Fold (Red Light). These are all pretty much 1 blocking scheme and backfield action. Do you guys think this will be to much. We will just be base on defense, maybe working a blitz or 2 in as the season progresses. How do you plan or running your trap and counter plays? Meaning, who is pulling? I've found it to be much easier to teach to send a fullback over to do the pulling instead of an offensive lineman at this age level. I'd also throw in a good standard off-tackle play of some sort. But that's just me. Defensively I don't think you are likely to see a pass thrown over 10-15 yards past the line of scrimmage all season, and most teams will pass less than 5 times a game so gear up for the run. Of course there is the occasional team that will pass more, but most times they don't complete more than 25% of their passes.
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Post by 94dragons on Jan 31, 2012 14:28:40 GMT -6
Coachbigbri we will be pulling our guards on all traps, and folds/bellys. My guards will be 2 of my best football players. I believe in building your offense around your oline. Anyone can run the ball if a play is blocked correctly. I will even be coaching the oline. As for off tackle plays the Belly G and Jet Fold will both hit off-tackle as well as the CTR trap. We will use these when the DE starts widening out to stop the jet. I may add some base blocking plays such as ISO if I think our kids can handle more schemes.
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Post by coachbigbri on Jan 31, 2012 14:44:45 GMT -6
Sounds good 94dragons. I also agree that the offensive line should be your best blockers, even if they are also your best running back. Your 2nd or 3rd best running back will do just fine if the offensive line is good enough to open the holes. Hopefully you will have more success with your guards on those plays. Another reason I use my fullback is because that way I am not opening up a hole on the line where the defense could penetrate with an athletic lineman and cause disruption on a slower developing counter play.
Looks like you've got a sound plan, and the best part of all is that you are keeping the playbook simple and down to just a few plays. That's key at such a young age.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 31, 2012 15:32:27 GMT -6
I would like some help with practice scheduling for a 7-8 yr old team. I have been coaching at the HS level for the last 7 years so this is going to be a pretty big change. We will be practicing 3 nights a week during the season for 1.5-2 hours each. We do not have Special Teams in our league so it really frees up a lot of time for O and D. If it helps we will be running the Hybrid Wing-t offense The hybrid wing T? There's actually an offense known as that? I thought there were lots of hybrid wing Ts. How many weeks of practice do you have before the season? No. At least, it's not worthwhile to choose any drill primarily for its conditioning effect, and unless you had the kids for 2 solid months before the season, you wouldn't be able to do enough conditioning to matter. Windage is hardly ever a problem with the games in those ages.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 31, 2012 15:52:59 GMT -6
We will be running Jet, FB Trap, QB Trap, WB Counter trap, FB Fold (Belly G) and Jet Fold (Red Light). These are all pretty much 1 blocking scheme and backfield action. Do you guys think this will be to much. Not too much, but an over-emphasis on traps. The FB trap and QB trap (Spin & keep?) I take to mean one guard trapping the first defender the other side of center; WB counter trap I'm not sure of but you could mean the same point of attack, since you wrote "1 blocking scheme". On children's teams that age, DL 3 tech or lower are not usually fast chargers. Even in our 12U competition last season, there was only 1 team against which I thought we'd benefit by a guard trap like that. So against many of the defenses you'll face, you won't get to earhole a DL on those traps, but maybe get a bit of an angle on him. To make more space, try converting the trap scheme into a double team where one guard holds the opponent up and the other crosses behind the center to get an angle. (This is also advantageous if your guards aren't so fast and you play with the size of OL splits typically seen with wing T.) Even there, you may run up against submarining opponents who make such schemes irrelevant.
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Post by 94dragons on Jan 31, 2012 20:34:50 GMT -6
We will be running Jet, FB Trap, QB Trap, WB Counter trap, FB Fold (Belly G) and Jet Fold (Red Light). These are all pretty much 1 blocking scheme and backfield action. Do you guys think this will be to much. Not too much, but an over-emphasis on traps. The FB trap and QB trap (Spin & keep?) I take to mean one guard trapping the first defender the other side of center; WB counter trap I'm not sure of but you could mean the same point of attack, since you wrote "1 blocking scheme". On children's teams that age, DL 3 tech or lower are not usually fast chargers. Even in our 12U competition last season, there was only 1 team against which I thought we'd benefit by a guard trap like that. So against many of the defenses you'll face, you won't get to earhole a DL on those traps, but maybe get a bit of an angle on him. To make more space, try converting the trap scheme into a double team where one guard holds the opponent up and the other crosses behind the center to get an angle. (This is also advantageous if your guards aren't so fast and you play with the size of OL splits typically seen with wing T.) Even there, you may run up against submarining opponents who make such schemes irrelevant. Coach Goodman we will have 2 weeks prior to the first scrimmage game. That will give us 10 practices. Then we will practice 3-4 times a week after that. 1.5-2 hours per practice. When I say Hybrid wing-t I'm thinking Bruce Cobleigh and Wes Elrod. I know there is no universal football language but when you add multiple formations and the jet and rocket to the wing-t you get what has come to be known as the hybrid wing-t. As for the plays you are correct on the FB trap. The QB Trap and the CTR Trap will be ran away from the jet motion and the guard will kick out the 1st ugly jersey outside the OT. I say one scheme because the rules for the Oline stay basically the same (Gap,Down,Backer) for the TE,PST,PSG and the Center will be Away, On. Almost like S.A.B. blocking. We will block Jet with the Elrod outside count system. Hopefully they will pick this up pretty easily. The defense will be Coach Murphy's 44 Swarm. Any input you have will be much appreciated coach. I have read your posts in the past and they have always been very helpful. This is a simplified blocking scheme from what I am use to using. At the HS level I would use multiple blocking schemes for the same backfield actions. I just know that it would be way to much for this age group.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 1, 2012 16:19:20 GMT -6
Coach Goodman we will have 2 weeks prior to the first scrimmage game. That will give us 10 practices. Then we will practice 3-4 times a week after that. 1.5-2 hours per practice. You're going to wish you had more pre-season, but it's feasible. Team defense is especially hard to impart at that experience level. Didn't know that, thanks. A while back I asked what that meant, got different answers so assumed it was a generic term rather than a specific flavor of wing T. With 7-8 YOs, unless you have an experienced QB, or your QB takes the snap sidesaddle, the timing of the jet series is going to be loose. You might need to change from GDB to a nearly pure antipenetration scheme.
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Post by flingt on Feb 2, 2012 11:36:24 GMT -6
First of all, I think 1.5-2 hours is too long for kids that age. Their attention isn't that long and it becomes the point of diminshing returns. I am an elementary school teacher and can tell you that you need to constantly keep them moving, no matter what they are doing. Keep it as simple as possible, one word directions. Very, very simple plays and formations.
Don't ever assume that they know what you are talking about. Ask them first if they know the meaning of a word. I do that all the time and you'd be surprised what they DON'T know.
Also, don't stand there and yell "ya gotta hit somebody"!! But being a former HS coach you probably already know that.
Remember that they are ONLY 7 and 8 with the possiblity that they are not their by choice. Keep your expectations low and your patience high.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 2, 2012 20:53:41 GMT -6
First of all, I think 1.5-2 hours is too long for kids that age. Their attention isn't that long and it becomes the point of diminshing returns. I am an elementary school teacher and can tell you that you need to constantly keep them moving, no matter what they are doing. Then you also know that it is possible to keep their att'n even longer than that, provided you're not doing the same thing the whole time. And you won't be; unless you, the coach, get bogged down, you'll go on to the next drill after 15 mins.
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Post by flingt on Feb 3, 2012 7:28:41 GMT -6
First of all, I think 1.5-2 hours is too long for kids that age. Their attention isn't that long and it becomes the point of diminshing returns. I am an elementary school teacher and can tell you that you need to constantly keep them moving, no matter what they are doing. Then you also know that it is possible to keep their att'n even longer than that, provided you're not doing the same thing the whole time. And you won't be; unless you, the coach, get bogged down, you'll go on to the next drill after 15 mins. From what I observed HERE I did see of a lot of half hour drills, I see that in baseball too. Way too long at any age.
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Post by 94dragons on Feb 3, 2012 9:49:44 GMT -6
Then you also know that it is possible to keep their att'n even longer than that, provided you're not doing the same thing the whole time. And you won't be; unless you, the coach, get bogged down, you'll go on to the next drill after 15 mins. From what I observed HERE I did see of a lot of half hour drills, I see that in baseball too. Way too long at any age. Our practice will be broken down into 10-15 minute blocks. Even at the HS level it is hard to keep the players attention longer than that. What I am looking for are some everyday drills that you guys use at this level to focus on fundamentals. I was thinking of using circuits. Such as a blocking circuit with 3 stations. 1. reach block 2. down block 3. trap block or a tackling circuit 1. form tackle 2. angle tackle 3. open field tackle. We will also do what we call the Bird Dog drill where we will work on the first step of each block. We will also do Stance and Starts everyday.
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Post by flingt on Feb 3, 2012 10:27:07 GMT -6
From what I observed HERE I did see of a lot of half hour drills, I see that in baseball too. Way too long at any age. Our practice will be broken down into 10-15 minute blocks. Even at the HS level it is hard to keep the players attention longer than that. What I am looking for are some everyday drills that you guys use at this level to focus on fundamentals. I was thinking of using circuits. Such as a blocking circuit with 3 stations. 1. reach block 2. down block 3. trap block or a tackling circuit 1. form tackle 2. angle tackle 3. open field tackle. We will also do what we call the Bird Dog drill where we will work on the first step of each block. We will also do Stance and Starts everyday. I think circuits, or as they are called in elementary school "centers", are a great idea. You get a lot of reps doing the same thing in different ways. It is going to be hard for them to understand what the blocks are for and understanding angles when they haven't even been taught that in school yet. Just a heads up.
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Post by davecisar on Feb 5, 2012 11:10:54 GMT -6
I would like some help with practice scheduling for a 7-8 yr old team. I have been coaching at the HS level for the last 7 years so this is going to be a pretty big change. We will be practicing 3 nights a week during the season for 1.5-2 hours each. We do not have Special Teams in our league so it really frees up a lot of time for O and D. If it helps we will be running the Hybrid Wing-t offense and 4-4 defense. Also, what are your thoughts on conditioning for this age group. Is it really necessary? I would recommend going 2 times a week after your first game You CAN go 2 hours productively IF you make sure and have a fast paced and fun practice You can get what you want out of practice and make it fun and fast paced too, requires some creativity We havent done set aside conditioning for the last 16 seasons Waste of time- when you can "hide" conditioning within the context of the practice- killing 2 birds with 1 stone You can field competitive teams with less practice time if your priorities. precision and pace are on track- the teams Ive coached have practiced far less than our competition- but consistently had much better results- even against select or out state tournament teams.
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Post by c3 on Feb 7, 2012 18:16:06 GMT -6
First of all, I think 1.5-2 hours is too long for kids that age. Their attention isn't that long and it becomes the point of diminshing returns. I am an elementary school teacher and can tell you that you need to constantly keep them moving, no matter what they are doing. Keep it as simple as possible, one word directions. Very, very simple plays and formations. Don't ever assume that they know what you are talking about. Ask them first if they know the meaning of a word. I do that all the time and you'd be surprised what they DON'T know. Also, don't stand there and yell "ya gotta hit somebody"!! But being a former HS coach you probably already know that. Remember that they are ONLY 7 and 8 with the possiblity that they are not their by choice. Keep your expectations low and your patience high. The only problem I have had with kids attention span are the 5yr olds. I have coached teams in all the different ages and grades. The 5's are tough. The 7's and 8's are a joy. We keep them busy, hustling, and getting after it.........after 2 hours they are still wanting more......YES keep it simple, and keep it active...But whatever you do, keep your EXPECTATIONS high....and they will achieve.....
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Post by boxman70 on Feb 8, 2012 12:22:49 GMT -6
I coached a team of 5-6 years olds this past fall.We practice for an hour & a half twice a week.We didnt have any problem with keeping there attention span.Its all about what your doing with them.We kept it fun but simple with our drills.Nothing too fancy.Basic football skills.Kids always had fun.Just have to keep them moving and change the drills up.
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