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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 16, 2012 8:30:52 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Jan 16, 2012 9:15:17 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jan 16, 2012 9:21:29 GMT -6
Yup, I would tell the boy to get his a-- to college, get his grey shirt and go from there. Who the hell knows where the kid will be a year from now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2012 9:27:14 GMT -6
Pretty sure I would talk to coach Saban and the player about a grey shirt. If not look elsewhere. He did. That was mentioned in the article (the part about Saban mentioning something about January If he wants to go to Bama, he probably doesn't have any other options. Remember he lives in Georgia. Where else would he live other than home?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2012 9:29:27 GMT -6
Yup, I would tell the boy to get his a-- to college, get his grey shirt and go from there. Who the hell knows where the kid will be a year from now. Kind of tough to greyshirt at Bama before January 2013 if you live in Georgia. If he lived in Tuscaloosa, that is one thing. Living in Georgia is something completely different--again, assuming he wants to attend Bama.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 16, 2012 9:46:10 GMT -6
You get a loan and pay for first semester and live at school. Just don't take a full load. Or stay home and take classes at local JC just not a full load. They can't get him a job and THAT statement right there could cause a serious problem eye-on-recruiting.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26895818/27754192he hot button issue of oversigning becomes especially newsworthy when schools have to tell recruits that they are no longer welcome because there is not a scholarship available. South Carolina, for example, signed 31 players to a letter of intent in 2011. Coaches usually try to keep players committed to the school but will re-route them to a prep school for a year or grayshirt them by having them enroll in the spring. According to the NCAA release, the administrator of the NLI, Susan Peal, says the NLI's governing body does not support the grayshirting policy some schools use. If a player is persuaded by a coach to grayshirt and does not wish to so, their letter of intent can be considered void and they may sign when another school. The new rule on oversigning, 15.5.1.10.1, and the rise in ways around it are forcing the NCAA to take a serious look at the practices schools use when signing football players. “This rule has only been in effect for one year, and we want to take some time to see if that’s the perfect number," NCAA Division I Football Committee Chair Nick Carparelli said. “Certainly, the committee will continue to monitor it, and we can re-evaluate to see if there is a more appropriate number if necessary.” The NCAA is not the only group of people taking action to combat oversigning as several high school coaches are becoming proactive in trying to stop the practice by outright banning colleges from recruiting their kids if they oversign. South Lake High School (Groveland, Fla.) head coach Walter Banks banned South Carolina after one of his players, Jordan Montgomery, was told he could not enroll because of the numbers crunch. “I cannot look a kid and their parent in the face and say you can trust what a University of South Carolina coach says,” Banks told The State newspaper. The NCAA also issued a staff interpretation on a rule which clarified that schools may not give a prospect a scholarship indirectly, such as through a coach or a friend. Players cannot receive any written scholarship offer prior to August 1st of their senior year but often receiver verbal offers from coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 10:02:04 GMT -6
I think as a player that guy needs to think about what's going on. Saban basically told him your good enough to play for Bama, we just don't need you that bad this year. I would take that as an insult, especially if this guy has been kind of strung along this whole time thinking he is getting a scholarship there.
We tell guys that we recruit if another school is pressuring you to signing right away and threaten that they can give your scholarship away they obviously don't want you that bad. Not exactly the same thing going on here, but Saban basically pulled the scholarship from right under this guy a month before signing day, to give to somebody else.
I know Saban said he would put it on a piece of paper and that the scholarship would be there next year, but I was lead to believe that the kid already was going to get a scholarship this year since he had been commiteed for nearly a year. So think about this kid for a whole year being really pumped about going to Bama and then bam...not till next year. It just seems like Saban turned his back on that player.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 16, 2012 10:04:10 GMT -6
It sounds like the kid really wants to go to UA so he should do the greyshirt thing. I just think he should go to school somewhere.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2012 10:09:00 GMT -6
You get a loan and pay for first semester and live at school. Just don't take a full load. They can''t get him a job and statement right there could cause a serious problem. I don't think going into debt would be a smart move, particularly since there is still no iron clad guarantee that an offer comes, no academic support--heck no support of any kind... Not excited about the prospects for this young man (based on the responses in the interview) having success moving away from home into a very UNSTRUCTURED situation. Part time class load, no athletic structure, and having to go into debt to do so. And the out of state tuition fee is over $1,000 per credit hour for part time students, so tuition alone would probably be over $6,000. And keep in mind, the kid PROBABLY doesn't want to ATTEND the university of Alabama. The kid wants to PLAY FOOTBALL for Nick Saban's current juggernaut program. Sadly, that is the dark underbelly of of college athletics, particularly revenue sports.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jan 16, 2012 10:19:01 GMT -6
Although I've heard the term for years, what actually does "grey shirt" mean?
Some coaches can be trusted and some can't, it's got nothing to do with how many wins the guy has either. Losers and winners can both be just sorry people that lie to kids and get away with it. It's just that the winners don't get fired for it.
OJW
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Post by coachcb on Jan 16, 2012 10:24:42 GMT -6
I didn't know that the grey-shirt policy was taking on so much criticism.
I guess I would advise him to take up his #2 choice in schools.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 16, 2012 10:36:35 GMT -6
Some of these kids need to start taking into account that they may not be in the schools top 25 as far as recruits go and that they may not get a scholarship at that school. If you really wanna go to Bama, then pay for your first year like the rest of the student-body and show the coaches that you deserve a scholarship once you are there.
I don't have any sympathy for the kid. If Bama thinks he is their 26th best player they are signing, then go to another school and beat Bama. These kids and their parents are getting more and more a sense of entitlement because of all this junk. D1 programs want a kid who is academically non-qualifier, so they will have a JC babysit the kid for a year and as soon as the kid is academically eligible, he goes to the new school and doesn't count against their graduation requirements and all that. There are ways around all the regulations that the NCAA is putting on these programs, but the 25 limit is one that is hard to get around. Think of it this way... Each D1 program is only allowed 85 scholarships. I know most of these big schools are signing 25 kids a year. If you include redshirts, you have 125 kids signing with a program in a 5-year span and only 85 scholarships available. That means that 40 of those kids (8 each year) are signing and not getting a scholarship.
I always tell my kids that it is their job to do the research and decide what they want to do. If they REALLY want to go to school A, and school A ends up not giving them a scholarship... they get to pay for college.
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Post by blb on Jan 16, 2012 10:38:54 GMT -6
what actually does "grey shirt" mean? Isn't that a synonym for "preferred walk-on" - come here without a scholly and if things work out you can earn one down the road?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2012 10:40:31 GMT -6
what actually does "grey shirt" mean? Isn't that a synonym for "preferred walk-on" - come here without a scholly and if things work out you can earn one down the road? NO. click on the link that jonknight posted. Decent explanation.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 16, 2012 10:41:43 GMT -6
I don't think going into debt would be a smart move, particularly since there is still no iron clad guarantee that an offer comes If this was the case, I would have never gone to college. My parents couldn't afford to pay for college. I am still paying off all my loans for getting my degree. I made a choice to go to a private NAIA school and play football, which cost a heck of a lot more money than staying at the University of Utah and paying in-state tuition. You need to decide what is more important to you and live with that decision. If he wants a guaranteed offer, go to LaTech or FAU, or FIU, or any of those schools who would definitely give you the offer. If you want Bama, then do what you gotta do to play there.
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Post by fantom on Jan 16, 2012 10:42:46 GMT -6
what actually does "grey shirt" mean? Isn't that a synonym for "preferred walk-on" - come here without a scholly and if things work out you can earn one down the road? Not at all. It's a promise that you'll get a scholarship later. They probably don't even want him to go to Bama on his own nickle because that would start his NCAA clock.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2012 10:50:17 GMT -6
I don't think going into debt would be a smart move, particularly since there is still no iron clad guarantee that an offer comes If this was the case, I would have never gone to college. My parents couldn't afford to pay for college. I am still paying off all my loans for getting my degree. I made a choice to go to a private NAIA school and play football, which cost a heck of a lot more money than staying at the University of Utah and paying in-state tuition. You need to decide what is more important to you and live with that decision. If he wants a guaranteed offer, go to LaTech or FAU, or FIU, or any of those schools who would definitely give you the offer. If you want Bama, then do what you gotta do to play there. Still paying off loans..so that is why the coaches fundraise...KIDDING KIDDING!!!! KIDDING. Keep in mind, the menu of choices is different. It seems like YOUR choice was --go into debt to get to continue playing football. HIS choice is slightly different. He probably has..or more accurately HAD options to continue his playing days without going into debt.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 16, 2012 10:59:54 GMT -6
I didn't know that the grey-shirt policy was taking on so much criticism. I guess I would advise him to take up his #2 choice in schools. I think LOTS of the things happening in revenue producing collegiate athletics that benefits the institutions as opposed to the athletes is taking on criticism.
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Post by blb on Jan 16, 2012 11:09:59 GMT -6
It's a promise that you'll get a scholarship later. Thanks for clarification. Is this part of "over-signing" that has raised uproar particularly in SEC Country recently?
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Post by John Knight on Jan 16, 2012 14:58:22 GMT -6
Not if he doesn't go Full Time. Less than 12 hours.
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Post by fantom on Jan 16, 2012 15:20:20 GMT -6
Not if he doesn't go Full Time. Less than 12 hours. Yeah, I'm not sure about the rules on this one even though we had a kid greyshirt a few years ago. Still, with out-of-state tuition at abput $1000 per credit I'm not sure that's a great option.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 16, 2012 16:26:47 GMT -6
If he's my kid, I'm telling him to find another school. If Alabama really wanted him that badly, they'd find a place for him.
I highly, highly doubt you ever see this kid in a Crimson Tide uniform.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 16, 2012 16:59:29 GMT -6
If he is going to get a 4.5 year ride at Alabama it would be worth the price of 1 semester part time. If they honor his NLI he will only pay 15k for the whole deal and if he gets Pell etc, less.
Even if he doesn't go to Alabama until Dec, he should go take classes 11hours at a community college or JC. If he signs the NLI it will be binding.
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Post by fantom on Jan 16, 2012 17:14:02 GMT -6
If he is going to get a 4.5 year ride at Alabama it would be worth the price of 1 semester part time. If they honor his NLI he will only pay 15k for the whole deal and if he gets Pell etc, less. Even if he doesn't go to Alabama until Dec, he should go take classes 11hours at a community college or JC. If he signs the NLI it will be binding. And the advantage of doing that over getting a job and earning some money would be.......?
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Post by John Knight on Jan 16, 2012 18:18:34 GMT -6
If he works and goes to school, fine. I have seen too many guys get out of student mode and never go to play. Could be wrong but the kid is ahead to get some hours and work out to get ready for spring football.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 16, 2012 21:12:59 GMT -6
If this was the case, I would have never gone to college. My parents couldn't afford to pay for college. I am still paying off all my loans for getting my degree. I made a choice to go to a private NAIA school and play football, which cost a heck of a lot more money than staying at the University of Utah and paying in-state tuition. You need to decide what is more important to you and live with that decision. If he wants a guaranteed offer, go to LaTech or FAU, or FIU, or any of those schools who would definitely give you the offer. If you want Bama, then do what you gotta do to play there. Still paying off loans..so that is why the coaches fundraise...KIDDING KIDDING!!!! KIDDING. Keep in mind, the menu of choices is different. It seems like YOUR choice was --go into debt to get to continue playing football. HIS choice is slightly different. He probably has..or more accurately HAD options to continue his playing days without going into debt. That was a pretty good one though
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Post by airman on Jan 17, 2012 2:29:18 GMT -6
nice to see nick saban is engaging in over singing again. in the SEC recruiting classes of 30+30+30+30=85 scholarships must be new southern math. Now a conference like the big ten would have rules against this crap.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 17, 2012 7:41:48 GMT -6
You might say this kid is lucky, he finds this out in January, unlike some kids who didn't find out until August.
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Post by k on Jan 17, 2012 7:54:52 GMT -6
We didn't have a scholarship available for Andre Drummond this year (top ranked basketball recruit in the country) so he took out a loan and walked on...
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 17, 2012 8:10:46 GMT -6
We didn't have a scholarship available for Andre Drummond this year (top ranked basketball recruit in the country) so he took out a loan and walked on... Who is "we"?
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