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Post by fantom on Jan 14, 2012 21:09:38 GMT -6
I read a lot of posts from coaches who have a problem getting their winter sports athletes into the weight room. That makes me curious, approximately what percentage of your football players also participate in a winter sport? What percentage of linemen (the guys who need the weight room the most)? How about spring sports? Both winter and spring?
We're a bigger school so sharing athletes hasn't been that big of a problem for us. I'm curious about how big of a problem this is for others.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 14, 2012 21:57:29 GMT -6
Sharing athletes is encouraged at our school.
Our rule is that if a kid wants to play something he should.
I am the AD and told coaches their job is jeopardy if they tell a kid otherwise.
All will lift all year. No exceptions.
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Post by lochness on Jan 14, 2012 21:58:54 GMT -6
We have a TON of kids who do multiple sports. I think it's a great thing. Go be an athlete all school year, and we'll take you when you free-up at the end of June. Those kids can still lift...but at the HS level, don't ever make the mistake of thinking that doing athletic things is worse than lifting 2-3 days per week and doing nothing else. Besides, most of those kids lift, except for the basketball kids who's coach thinks lifting is bad for you.
We have a ton of kids in basketball and wrestling right now. The wrestling HC is our Freshman football OC...and he has those kids wrestle UP weight, and they lift their asses off in-season. Track lifts twice per week. Hockey (have 2 or 3 kids there) lifts 2 times per week.
In the spring, we have a ton of kids who play baseball and lacrosse. Those kids always make our sessions, unless they have away games during the time we're open. They'll even come in after home games if time permits.
I love that we have multi-sport athletes. I'm strongly against "specializing" in high school. Get out and live life!
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Post by fantom on Jan 14, 2012 22:00:53 GMT -6
What kind of numbers are we talking about here?
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Post by lochness on Jan 14, 2012 22:03:35 GMT -6
I don't know...on a fairly small football roster (40 kids maybe) 6-8 in hoops, 6-8 in wrestling, 2-3 in winter track and 2-3 in hockey.
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Post by fantom on Jan 14, 2012 22:18:51 GMT -6
BTW, I'm definitely NOT against multi-sport athletes. I read a lot of posts here from guys who worry about getting their kids into the weight room (obviously, I'm not talking about schools that have athletic weight training classes. We don't have one either.).
All of my coaching experience has been at big schools. Generally, wrestlers and track kids get their lifting in while basketball and baseball players don't. For us that's not a problem. Anybody who plays basketball or basketball as well as football is an exceptional athlete. We don't feel that they're missing much if they can't lift.
What I'm wondering is what it's like at other schools, especially smaller ones. How many kids do they have playing in the winter and spring?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 23:48:14 GMT -6
I just looked at our roster for this topic. As of now, our HC is listing 29 kids as last fall's seniors have been taken off, but the incoming freshmen haven't been added yet, not that we'd know for sure who they are yet anyway.
Of the 29, I came up with 5 kids who do a winter sport only, 4 who do a spring sport only, but then 5 more who do both. And, I may have missed a freshmen or two who will be doing something in the spring. So, basically, half our current roster does at least one other sport.
I did not coach for the program last year and have not been board approved for this year and last year was the HC's first year, so quite frankly I don't know what the HC does about it!
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 15, 2012 7:38:33 GMT -6
Roughly 30-35% of our kids are in other sports, for the first season the basketball coach makes sure they lift after practice so that takes a decent chunk of them out of the equation. Our wrestling coach does not make them lift which actually doesn't hurt us too much because the football players in there have a weights period (very few of our kids do, long story, no sense). Our problem is track, they lift for maybe a week or two before their season but have conditioning where they do nothing with weights and it is impressed on them that it is mandatory. Without going insane, a decent amount of our track kids join track because they get out of weights and were told "it will get you faster" just by being in track. Thats the one that burns my proverbial waffles especially wehn they are also told not to lift during the season.
I'm as big a fan as any of kids playing multiple sports but I do think that atleast maintaining lifting gains is important.
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Post by highball007 on Jan 15, 2012 9:50:14 GMT -6
70-80% of our kids play a winter sport! All athletes lift all year round in Class! High School athletes need to lift all year, because they are not strong enough to specialize in one sport and not lift through a season. I don't have any research to back it up, but in my 7 years of experience of teaching in the weight room, almost al of the serious injuries at my school have come from kids that either refuse to get into the weight room, or they are by kids that only play one sport and they play it all year round, so they are over use injuries.
We make all FB players that are not involved in a winter sport come in after school twice a week and do speed and agility training, with a little extra lifting sometimes.
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Post by scuba16 on Jan 15, 2012 10:02:16 GMT -6
Im just wondering how some make lifting mandatory during other sport seasons? I mean I know I wouldn't like another coach having any of our FB players do other sport related stuff during FB season. For example, alot of our kids are basketball players.... I certainly would be pissed if a guy came to practice monday having rolled his ankle playing in a fall weekend basketball league that was made mandatory by the varsity basketball coach. Same thing for baseball or vice versa.... You have a kid that is a FB player but also pitches for the baseball team. Pitching is ruff on your shoulder... he probably shouldn't be lifting while he is pitching... or if your starting QB goes and pitches in a fall baseball league and then he struggles throwing footballs Mon and Tues....
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Post by blb on Jan 15, 2012 10:07:28 GMT -6
We can't make Off-Season lifting mandatory, nor would we.
We don't have lifting classes. Our players not in a winter or spring sport come in and lift after school.
Some of our players who are in-season lift too if they have a late practice.
But lifting's different than doing sports-specific drills or even competing in a second sport during a season.
We tell our guys that if they are playing baseball or hockey, doing basketball or wrestling workouts during Football season, they will be dropped from the team.
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Post by PSS on Jan 15, 2012 10:45:31 GMT -6
Small school here in Texas, 275 students. Almost everyone of our football players play one or more sport other than football. We have several several of our more athletic linemen playing basketball as well as most of our skill kids. During the Spring we will have several play baseball and run track. The same coaches that coach football coach the other sports, OC is the hd baseball coach, and I'm the head track coach.
As far as the weight room / off-season. We have an all sports off-season. Everyone goes through off-season. Basketball and baseball will go through off-season everyday. The varsity teams don't lift on their game day but the sub-varsity will.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 15, 2012 12:40:04 GMT -6
not including seniors...we have 109 kids in the program...24 kids playing a winter sport...that # will go up to about 35 in the spring
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Post by coachmitts on Jan 15, 2012 13:23:09 GMT -6
Out of 136 kids in the program, I would say about 45 play other sports. The rest lift. And those that dont are being documented. Anyone can come out for our program. But those that put in the blood, sweat and tears during the offseason are above and beyond those that dont. It shows alot in July and August.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 15, 2012 14:41:39 GMT -6
From sophomore to senior we have about 40 athletes and only 5 (four linemen and a linebacker) of them are not in another sport. Wreslters have the option to lift with us until four when their assistant coaches show up so we get 2 of our linemen during that time. We do not have strength and conditioning classes but we will be bring them back next year at our school for athletes only during 6th and 7th periods, which will be huge for us.
We do encourage our kids to be in other sports because we like for them to be in team building and competitive situations. Out of our freshmen and non winter athlete kids we get about 15 kids a day in the weightroom. This number seems insanely low for me but this is my first off season with them and they have never had an organized weightroom program before. Other schools I have been at that have had success have always bad 30-40+ in the winter and spring.
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Post by sdfbcoach on Jan 17, 2012 7:10:05 GMT -6
During the winter we probably have 25-35% our kids in wrestling or basketball and maybe some hockey(not a school sport). During the spring we are probably closer to 75% in baseball and track. Our fb players are strongly encouraged to be out for track and we have had great success with it. We have a few fb coaches who are track coaches so our kids are still able to get in the weightroom after track practice a few times a week.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 17, 2012 9:34:26 GMT -6
Out of out (initial) 24 player roster, 20 of them are playing basketball right now. Come spring, 5 of them might be participating in track. The rest will be involved in traveling basketball teams where they practice once a week (shoot around in the gym for an hour) and then miss 1-2 days of school a week going to tournaments.
Most of the football players have a weight training class during the school year, which is great. But, they lose most of what they have gained by sitting on their a$$es all summer.
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Post by olcoach53 on Jan 17, 2012 9:58:11 GMT -6
We have quite a few that play other sports. We encourage them to play other sports but unfortunately some of the other coaches do NOT encourage athletes to play football. They are more worried about summer basketball and tell them that if they do not come to those sessions that they will not be welcomed during the winter. Really frustrating because we have lost great football players because of this.
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Post by coachhart on Jan 19, 2012 9:02:30 GMT -6
We don't have very many participating in winter sports - two varsity guys playing basketball, two JV guys playing JV basketball, three or four frosh playing frosh bball; one or two wrestlers, 20+ guys participating in winter track.
We don't have any issues with lifting as our athletic department is all on the same page in terms of lifting/speed & conditioning. Our OL Coach is coaching the throwers in track so they're working on their strength daily.
I am surprised to hear about some of the schools w/o strength and conditioning classes. We are a big school that has eight sections of S&C... some of the other schools in our county have 13 and 14 S&C sections.
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Post by coachnichols on Jan 19, 2012 9:16:41 GMT -6
I'm at a relatively small school in a town of about 3000. We have about 40 returning players from last year and 30 of them are in basketball or wrestling. Honestly, I will be happy for winter sports to end so I can have them all together in the weight room.
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Post by coachdennis on Jan 19, 2012 9:44:07 GMT -6
Here in Canada, most of our football players are multi-sport athletes. In fact, we usually get them to football after they have been in other sports - football is rarely their first stop.
I really dislike coaches in any youth sport who discourage a kid from playing multiple sports. They only get one childhood, and this should be their opportunity to spread their wings and play as many sports as possible. Lord knows that this time in their lives will fly by quickly. Who am I to tell a kid that he can't go have fun at another sport? I find that to be a very narrow, selfish, and negative perspective.
Here's the best part - because we take a very open attitude to multi-sport athletes, the kids love being in our program, and we generate a lot of positive buzz as a result. (We all know that the kids themselves are your best recruiters.) Funny how that works...
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 19, 2012 10:36:18 GMT -6
We have approximately 45-50 on the roster for the upcoming season (tentative). Of those, we have 18-22 every day in the weight room. The remainder are either wrestling, basketball or (ugh) swimming.
I can not think of a single player who is not lifting or in another sport. As long as that keeps up, there is no problem. The problem is if you have a kid that does nothing. As far as making it mandatory we can't, but they know they will have very steep uphill climb if they want to get on the field, varsity or JV!
dcohio....we don't have the problem that you do at our school. Our wrestling program is one of the top in the state and the coaches (fb and wrestling) are on the same page as far as working in the weight room. They work their a$$ off as we do. Basketball is hard core also. What does the AD expect from your schools coaches? What would the BB coach think if you approached him? Also, do any of your football players display the lazy attitude at basketball, and if so can you get to them?
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 19, 2012 11:03:01 GMT -6
Coachhart, I'm envious. I worked hard to get our athletic program on the same page but the resistance and ignorance caused me to just push my players. I would need more AD support for it to happen. In my 30 years of coaching and teaching I've never been part of a unified athletic program. It would be alot less stressful to know that the other coaches support a 4 year plan of growth for all of our athletes.
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Post by runtoball on Jan 19, 2012 13:58:12 GMT -6
You know - in this vein, I have a major issue with some of my kids playing other sports and it has nothing to do with them playing that sport, but I have a major issue with a few of their coaches and the BS they are allowed to get away with both on and off the floor. Now I am no basketball coach, but my brother is, but I know lazy, half-a$$ed effort when I see it and it is freakin rampant. I've never seen a lazier group of basketball kids. They trickle into practice late, some stand and talk and don't get into drills... I'm not asking for Bobby Knight to coach basketball here but holy cow at least give the appearance of some sort of discipline. Maybe that's why 7 BBall guys are ineligible half way through the season. (none of them are football players - I monitor their grades year round). I hear you on all this. We have kids that we hammer about attitude, not cheap shotting, etc. for 6 months, and it's all gone within two weeks of basketball starting. They can mouth, play dirty, do stupid stuff, whatever in basketball and not be punished for it. Then we have to start all over again after it's over. In football, if you get a discipline referral 3 times, you're gone. We had a TE last year who was written up twice during the first four months of school (football). He got written up 15 times during basketball season. Drives me crazy.
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