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Post by mbianco on Jan 13, 2012 8:47:26 GMT -6
What are your best ways of getting players out for your football team? Do you stress their attendance to your weightroom program? Do you just want them to come out once football starts? Just some background of the school i'm at: Inner-City school district, 1000 students grades 9-11, very good success with football but still known as a "basketball school", pop warner has traditionally been big in the area but numbers are dwindling. We have always had a pretty good turnout each year for fooball- about 35-40 kids per JV and Varsity(no Frosh team) but I feel we can get more kids out. Especially the students who feel they are only basketball players. What have you done in the past to get students to want to come out for your team?
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Post by JVD on Jan 13, 2012 9:15:31 GMT -6
Get with your basketball coach.
Our's told his players, "If you want to earn more playing time....lift weights...and play football."
He loves having linebackers as forwards and quarterbacks as point guards.
Hopefully your B-ball coach has the same mentality.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:19:03 GMT -6
Unfortunately nowadays you almost have to bribe kids with stuff to get them to come out. We promise them lots of cool Under Armour gear if they are a member and fundraise with us. Another thing is to be friendly with the other coaches at the school. Nothing worse than having a BBall team full of 6'4" kids that don't play football too. Some of your best WR/DB bodies are right there and don't play. Wrestling is a huge one. We strongly encourage any kids not on the BBall team who play football to join wrestling team. They stay involved (helps grades), they don't get into trouble, they stay in shape, and learn how to use their body to take people down to the ground.
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 13, 2012 9:45:21 GMT -6
We have a lousy rapport with most other coaches in terms of strength training. They say that we are coaching football out of season because our kids lift. TOTAL IGNORANCE. And very frustrating. I tried to be a school "team" player but it only hurt us. Now I am back to being a prick and we are more successful again.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 13, 2012 10:10:26 GMT -6
We have a lousy rapport with most other coaches in terms of strength training. They say that we are coaching football out of season because our kids lift. TOTAL IGNORANCE. And very frustrating. I tried to be a school "team" player but it only hurt us. Now I am back to being a prick and we are more successful again. Wouldn't the bball coach want his kids able to squat like 400 so they could all sky and dunk? Wouldn't the baseball coach want his pitchers to have strong legs and shoulders, and his hitters to have the same? I have never understood the football/basketball/baseball fighting with athletes. I guess because I played all 3 in high school and lifted when I was supposed to for football, never used it as an excuse at either of the other 2. I think the kids pit the coaches against each other by saying, "Coach ______ made me squat so I can't run sprints today!" or things like that. During basketball season I have the bball coach let me know which day he prefers his kids squat. That way we are on the same page and I just have our heavy squat day be that day of the week. I never make a pitcher do anything heavy a day he pitches (varsity pitchers only) |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 13, 2012 10:26:21 GMT -6
mbianco-
Since your sport is playing second fiddle, you need to take a more open approach...
Establish a good, supportive relationship with your basketball coach. If he believes in you he'll be more likely to support his kids playing football...even if you're not the head coach.
Spring and summer are great times to "test the water" with the basketball kids- schedule monthly interest meetings and have them start by coming to them- it shows the other kids they're thinking about playing.
Then get their AAU/tourney schedule for spring/summer and try to set up a schedule to be in the weight room with the team- let them know it's obviously great for them physically but it's more important to be there because of a team function. Maybe 2 days/week...days they don't have games or open gym.
You'll be able to establish a "saturation point" or the perfect balance of basketball and football functions- once you feel comfortable with this then you'll know what to ask of the basketball guys during the offseason.
Flood them with truths about basketball recruiting and football recruiting. Show them height/weights of D1 basketball commits vs D1 football commits- you'd be surprised how many guys I get sold on football when they see that there isn't much need for a 6'3 Power Forward in D1 basketball, but that 6'3 WR's are like gold in scholarship football...
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 13, 2012 10:31:03 GMT -6
We have a lousy rapport with most other coaches in terms of strength training. They say that we are coaching football out of season because our kids lift. TOTAL IGNORANCE. And very frustrating. I tried to be a school "team" player but it only hurt us. Now I am back to being a prick and we are more successful again. Wouldn't the bball coach want his kids able to squat like 400 so they could all sky and dunk? Wouldn't the baseball coach want his pitchers to have strong legs and shoulders, and his hitters to have the same? ... Yes, but not many coaches outside of football and track put a lot of stock into weight training- it's the nature of the beast. Many of these guys never lifted or did so in a joke of a program when coming up. Many seem to reside in their athletes either "having it or not" and letting athleticism carry them through. |
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Post by Coach Unk on Jan 13, 2012 10:40:05 GMT -6
I have used some peer pressure to get kids on the team  |
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Post by TMGPG on Jan 13, 2012 11:05:49 GMT -6
At the school that I am at, all the coaches do a pretty good job of working together and getting kids to workout in the summer. They also do a good job of letting us football coaches do all the work but we don't mind. I think that for all the teams to be successful you need to get all the coaches on one page and I know that can be very difficult because every coach including myself thinks that their time is more important.
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Post by fantom on Jan 13, 2012 11:19:44 GMT -6
Wouldn't the bball coach want his kids able to squat like 400 so they could all sky and dunk? Wouldn't the baseball coach want his pitchers to have strong legs and shoulders, and his hitters to have the same? ... A lot of this may have to do with whether there's an athletic weight-training class or not. If all of your conditioning is after school then you'll have a harder time getting winter and spring athletes into the weight room. Some guys try to get around that by having a session before school. If a kid is lukewarm about football anyway, good luck getting him there at 6 AM. Yes, but not many coaches outside of football and track put a lot of stock into weight training- it's the nature of the beast. Many of these guys never lifted or did so in a joke of a program when coming up. Many seem to reside in their athletes either "having it or not" and letting athleticism carry them through. |
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 13, 2012 11:51:24 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jan 13, 2012 12:16:46 GMT -6
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 13, 2012 14:24:50 GMT -6
Then they can't make excuses about something going on after school. Actually the suggestion came from my returning players. We go until 7:10 then they start school at 7:30. I should have done this years ago. I always thought it would be just too early. It doesn't seem that way so far. They do need to make the committment, but isn't that what we want?Football Kids doing other sports (who never lift in those sports) are coming also.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 14, 2012 16:30:52 GMT -6
We do 5:30 AM workouts starting this Tuesday... We have mandatory (contracted) office hours where I have to be in my classroom from 7:00 AM - 8:00 AM before school starts where students who need makeup tests and/or tutoring help from class come in. We go from 5:30-6:45 so the kids can shower and go get stuff done. After school they have bball/wrestling in the winter and baseball/track in the spring. That way we don't interfere with any of those other sports.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 14, 2012 17:03:50 GMT -6
I want so badly to move to the morning workouts... Just not sure if it'll be doable...
We have a decent amount of multi sport athletes... It would help out tremendously with our program, get all the upper classmen done in the morning and maybe do freshman after school.
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Post by JVD on Jan 14, 2012 20:45:01 GMT -6
I held morning workouts prior to having our son....got most of the b-ball kids.
Worked great!
HC held after school hours too.
Maybe when my son is older we can do it again.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 17, 2012 11:15:19 GMT -6
I'm the youngest teacher in the entire school by 4 or 5 years... I know how to get on kids good side Step 1 get the kids to like me Step 2  Step 3 profit Seriously though, when I walk around school every kid, regardless of grade, gender, athlete/non athlete they all say what's up to me... I am very well liked, makes it easier for me to talk kids into playing |
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Post by kwallis on Jan 17, 2012 20:04:36 GMT -6
When we accepted jobs at a new school last spring the DC and myself (hc) got the name and phone number for every kid from 6th to 11th grade, now they are 7th-12th graders. We called every kid/parent to invite them to a spring meeting. We are a 3A school so it wasn't like we called 1000 kids, but still quite a few. Our middle school numbers were up by about 6 kid and in the high school we went from them having a 23 man roster the year before, to 42 our first year.
I also am the strength coach for the school and have 6 weight classes, so I get nearly every athlete every day. Between my interactions with them on a daily basis and the rest of the staff having the kids in class, we have built some great relationships and should be around 51-54 on the high school next year.
Basically: kids want to know you care about them and want them to play...and they want to be apart of something positive (even if its difficult)
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