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Post by airman on Jan 8, 2012 15:00:25 GMT -6
what do you fellow coaches think it a good roster size? I always say the more the merrier. I was talking with a coach and he told me he wants a smaller roster.
I think the more the merrier for me started in college when my head coach said it was best. you have a better chance at getting more players developed
what is your opinion?
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Post by realdawg on Jan 8, 2012 15:05:52 GMT -6
Obviously, you want enough bodies to be able to have enough people to practice against without having to beat your studs to death. But I do think you can get to the point where it starts having negative returns. You don't want to have too many just standing around and you. Don't want to carry dead weight or cancers.
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Post by airman on Jan 8, 2012 15:29:02 GMT -6
Obviously, you want enough bodies to be able to have enough people to practice against without having to beat your studs to death. But I do think you can get to the point where it starts having negative returns. You don't want to have too many just standing around and you. Don't want to carry dead weight or cancers. i can see your point. however I come from a program where no none is standing around. during team o and d we have 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3 and 4 vs 4 all going at the same time. 88 players getting reps all at the same time. I got it from st johns u in minnesota. |
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Post by newb on Jan 8, 2012 16:18:45 GMT -6
Simply put, more kids= more organization
Some coaches are very good at getting everything organized to limit the number of kids standing around while other coaches simply aren't as good at it so it gets to be a hassle.
We actually had a hard time getting 34 MS kids meaningful playing time this season, but it sure as heck beats trying to give kids breathers when you only got 15.
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 8, 2012 17:06:48 GMT -6
I think there is also some locker room issues you get with kids that NEVER get into a game if your roster is too big. That said, I love big rosters, but from my experience I start to have some "team cohesion" issues when you get over 50-55 kids.
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caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Jan 8, 2012 20:56:16 GMT -6
My roster was 35 this year. We fielded a competetive team. But if it was any smaller I would definitely have to struggle. We had to not play a couple of jv games be ause of Personel issues. If I had 15 kids a class that would be ideal. 60 for two levels would be perfect. We are a school right around 500 students.
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Post by thenewistsensation on Jan 8, 2012 21:45:09 GMT -6
At the school I just left, we had split staff. V/JV practiced on same feild with same varsity coaches. Frosh had own staff.
there were about 35 Varsity only guys and the rest played in the JV game.
On fridays we would dress 60 kids. JV contributors, and a few frosh. We did that with the frosh as insentive. A few years ago we even got some frosh into the game (won that won 68-0) up 56-0 at half. The list changes every week, even for the JV kids. we only try to dress kids that could be contrucutors and kids that would not piss down there leg if that got the chance to play.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 8, 2012 22:30:12 GMT -6
Airman--can you be a bit more specific describing the situation. So many differences between practice formats, staffing etc. Some people count Roster size as everyone on program. Some (seems very common) consider the team the "varsity".... but only limited kids will actually play and the rest play JV. Some are completely separate teams--a VARSITY team, and a JV team etc.
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Post by coachbb on Jan 9, 2012 4:08:28 GMT -6
More is better. Find ways to get your kids more playing time. Find other schools to play. Play an extra quarter. Do an intrasquad scrimmage.
You never know- one of the kids might turn into a player.
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Post by julien on Jan 9, 2012 5:19:14 GMT -6
More is better, that's for sure.
BUT, the more important is the size of your coaching staff. 60 kids sounds great but you'd better have more than 3 competent coaches to take care of everybody.
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Post by airman on Jan 10, 2012 18:33:16 GMT -6
Airman--can you be a bit more specific describing the situation. So many differences between practice formats, staffing etc. Some people count Roster size as everyone on program. Some (seems very common) consider the team the "varsity".... but only limited kids will actually play and the rest play JV. Some are completely separate teams--a VARSITY team, and a JV team etc. It can be any of what you have described. I heard an old coach say a big school should strive for 10 to 20 of the male student body per class out for football . a small school should strive for 50 to 60 % of the male population out for school. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 11, 2012 8:32:23 GMT -6
We have about a 100 Varsity/JV, with 11 coaches.
Another 60 on Cteam with 4 coaches.
On varsity
1 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1 QB
1 RB
1 TE
1 WR
2 OL
I wish we had more kids, simply because we could coach more, have better depth, more worthy scout players, etc....
At an earlier stop, at a smaller school, our aim was to have 15 from each class, 15+15+15=45 so that we could 2 platoon and everybody was at least second string. We had a separate Cteam.
Now at my current stop, we have had a run where we were playing underclassmen at starting positions and have gotten out of whack at depth. For example of my 5 DBs, I have 4 returning starters with 1 2 year starter. Much of my depth is mired in the same class as the starters. In fact I lost some upperclassmen over the course of the past pre/season because they would not be satisfied with being a back up/special team player.
As of now, coming up at least at my position I will finally be getting back to having my depth as underclassmen. I know in high school that we can't draft/recruit, but being able to have underclassmen that can play on Thursday night, but being able to dress on Fridays help not only with depth, but also keeping the kids involved and feeling like they are part of the team and will have a chance to contribute, at least contribute down the road.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 11, 2012 16:13:34 GMT -6
35 with max 3 going two-ways.
Seems like the average makeup is:
With 35, you have 5 that just want to be on the football team and are terrible. Another 10 who aren't committed, usually aren't very good either. 5 studs. 5 good players. 10 average players.
This gives you 20 solid players, and than you can fill in gaps with the others. Seems so consistent season after season.
Soon as we drop below that mid-30's number, always seems like we struggle a LOT more
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Post by coachmitts on Jan 11, 2012 16:29:01 GMT -6
Last year we had 49 freshman players come out. We ended the season with 45.
Playing time was very hard to come by for the second string due to the drop off. I would say out of those 45 kids, maybe15 wanted to play.
We started the season platooning but by week 5 that changed.
My new incoming group is at about 25 right now. We will see what happens come July for camp.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 11, 2012 17:09:45 GMT -6
We had a bunch of freshman come out an usually have a bunch quit too. This year only 3 quit. I think it helped that our JV were very good this year. So there were a lot of blowouts and everybody got to play a lot. This is not always the case but we ended up with 49 freshman at a school with around 1050 kids.
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Post by holmesbend on Jan 11, 2012 20:11:05 GMT -6
I think there is also some locker room issues you get with kids that NEVER get into a game if your roster is too big. That said, I love big rosters, but from my experience I start to have some "team cohesion" issues when you get over 50-55 kids. I agree with having issues if you have to many not getting playing time that are upperclassmen. I'm not a big fan of Those seniors who have never played before coming out there senior year unless they are kids who can have an immediate impact.....talk about problem makers. |
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 11, 2012 23:59:25 GMT -6
I agree completely about the new senior issue. They have to be special, because that lack of experience at "being a teammate" can really undermine the team.
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 12, 2012 6:39:42 GMT -6
My biggest drop off is from 10th to 11th grade. We usually only have about 25 on varsity. Even 2 state finalist teams for us only had about 28 kids. We always try to platoon at first but it never seems to happen by the games. We usually have 8 very good players and about 10 who are OK. We do OK but probably because all the schools struggle at times with numbers. Upstate NY !!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my best teams only had 19. We lost in playoffs because we ran out of gas.
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Post by veerman on Jan 12, 2012 8:17:31 GMT -6
Obviously, you want enough bodies to be able to have enough people to practice against without having to beat your studs to death. But I do think you can get to the point where it starts having negative returns. You don't want to have too many just standing around and you. Don't want to carry dead weight or cancers. i can see your point. however I come from a program where no none is standing around. during team o and d we have 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3 and 4 vs 4 all going at the same time. 88 players getting reps all at the same time. I got it from st johns u in minnesota. To run a team like that you must have a bunch of coaches. We only had 3 coaches and that includes the head coach on staff. So running a team like that is not an option for us. I agree with the coach that said roster size needed to be relative to how many coaches you have. 3-4 coaches can't coach 90 kids they just don't get the proper reps cause you have 25-30 in each group. |
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