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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 23, 2011 15:11:11 GMT -6
How old were you when you landed your first HC or coordinator position? Is it possible to be too young? Is anybody really ever "ready" to be a HC?
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Post by shamespiral on Dec 23, 2011 15:18:36 GMT -6
30... I don't know if you can be completely ready for anything until you actually do it. It's kinda like being a parent. You don't know what you're getting into until that day actually comes. With that said you can be more or less prepared.
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 23, 2011 15:18:45 GMT -6
I was a 24 year old varsity DC @ my alma mater. In some ways it was a smashing success and an awesome accomplishment, in others it set me up for a lot of future frustration. I don't know if there is such a thing as 'too young', but I definitely wasn't fully prepared. We won a couple games because of me and we lost a couple because of me.
At the end of the day, don't regret not taking a shot. I took a shot this year; it didn't pan out, but I'm glad I did it.
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Post by unc31 on Dec 23, 2011 15:27:31 GMT -6
I took my first HC job when I was 29 years old. I did a couple of years as an assistant at the HS level then took a 1AA college job for a few years because I felt that it would give me a better insight. Both were invaluable and after 6 years as an assistant I felt good about my preparation.
To the second part of the question, there is NO WAY TO GAIN EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN LIVING IT!! You can't buy it, you can't fake it, you can't wing it....you just have to go through it. I don't know that there is an age that is too young, but there is definitely a maturity level issue that must be met before taking a HC job.
Many of the young guys coming out today (not all, so don't any of you young guys get upset) think it is all about X's and O's. Nothing caould be further from the truth. Great organizational skills, excellent knowledge of Strength and Speed training, understanding the fundamentals and techniques for ALL positions and on BOTH sides of the ball, knowledge of effective special teams play, and most importantly having LEADERSHIP skills are all vital. There are a lot of smart guys our there who are great position coaches or coordianators....just not necessarily leaders.
The othere factor is great and tireless work ethic. I have seen some coaches recently who think washing uniforms, cleaning the locker room and painting the practice field is beneath them. Just the facts.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Dec 23, 2011 15:35:58 GMT -6
OC at 26 Head Guy at 30 I think a head guy better be seen as ready to everyone around them.
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Post by Defcord on Dec 23, 2011 15:59:46 GMT -6
I was 23 when I got my first HC job in baseball. 29 in football. The first response said exactly what I was thinking...it's like having a child you are never ready.
I took a program over a 5A program at the age of 29 and let's be honest there is a reason they hired a 29 year old. Just like when I had my first child I have to deal with a lot of crap but my wife can't do quite as much to help me on this front. And just like with my child as much as somethings frustrate me I love being a head coach!
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 23, 2011 16:06:00 GMT -6
I was hired at 30 at the 5th biggest school in the state at VA at the time.
As others have said you have to learn on the run. No book or clinic will prepare you. Something I think is good to have is a SOUND philosophy and make that your core. It has been my bible since I was 24 years old when I was coaching college ball.
As a head coach you have to see the big picture. You have to see it all and most/many of it does not revolve around X and O's...
Some areas I will make sure you are versed on and get 1. Organization 2. Structure of organization 3. Understand offense/defense and special teams inside and out 4. Academics/social success.. how.. 5. Fundraising 6. Strength and Conditioning... 12 month plan 7. Clinics - Camps - Visiting college coaches... 8. Two a days... Practice... Organization 9. Inventory.... 10. Video/Technology 11. How to deal with community and local media 12. Study halls, grade sheets, academic success. Plan for this 13. Hiring good people and surrounding yourself with them.. 14. Summer Schedule
I mean we can be here all day listing things.. You get the point. All eyes are on you.. You have to be ready to shoulder the brunt of the program and lead... Too often that becomes too much for many to handle...
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Post by lochness on Dec 23, 2011 17:00:48 GMT -6
I was 22 when I first started calling offensive plays for my former HC at my alma marter. I'm glad he had faith in me to put me in that position...but I was far too young, and thought I knew far too much. I was a "plays" guy...and was not good at all with fundamental football.
Many young coaches make the same mistake.
I'm certain now that we lost games because of me.
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Post by tvt50 on Dec 23, 2011 17:11:08 GMT -6
29 yes I was ready I had a great head coach that I worked under for 8 years who mentored me and allowed me to gain a lot of experience on how to be a head coach.
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Post by kylem56 on Dec 23, 2011 17:17:53 GMT -6
The youngest Head Coach I knew of was 23, it took him 5 years before he had a winning season but he also took over one of the worst programs in the state of Michigan. I knew of some others who were 25, 26, 27 ish.
I was an OC at 22 but I definently had and still do have my trials and errors. The best thing I did though was learn under GREAT coaches who taught me more than the X and O's but the details of running a successful program
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Post by TMGPG on Dec 23, 2011 18:53:30 GMT -6
I was 23 when I got a DC job. I didn't not think that I was ready and I really wasn't but you guys are right, the best way to learn is by doing. I did alright, but I know that if I had not been in the situation where I HAD to get my job done I wouldn't have learned so quickly and I gained a lot of experience in a short amount of time.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 23, 2011 19:02:00 GMT -6
21 when i got hired as JV HC/OC (looking back I did a good job as an OC, not as a HC... we set school scoring record, but there are so many things I should have done differently as a HC, but hey it was a great learning experience)
23 now (24 in the spring) and it looks like I'll be the varsity OC next year...I definitely feel like I'm ready, but I'm sure in a year Ill be telling you how dumb I was and all that i learned
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Post by drewdawg265 on Dec 23, 2011 19:16:45 GMT -6
I was an oc at 23 and a hc at 27. I feel like I have made msitakes every year. I might be more critical now than I was at 27 though when it comes to evaluating a season.
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Post by carookie on Dec 23, 2011 19:20:35 GMT -6
30-Varsity DC. Heck I stuck around in college until I was 25 (and happy I did). You can be ready, and in that same vein you can be too young, but it depends on the person. I know some guys who took over programs in their mid 20s; as obvious from what I wrote above, I wouldve been too young for that.
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Post by tango on Dec 23, 2011 19:35:51 GMT -6
First HC job at 27. I was ready for it with great assistant coaches. My DC was a former HC that stopped coaching because of health problems and only came back to help me. The former OC came back to coach with me. My JV coach was a former HC with no ambition to be the head guy again. We only hired one new guy and the whole staff was in place. The staff thought I was ready and let me run the show. I'm sure I made a lot of mistakes and they probably didn't agree all the time. It was the right fit.
I know a lot more football than back in the day but I'm not sure if I am as good. We ran six run plays out of the flexbone with three formations and ran the quick game and verts. 44 on defense. Simple but sound with very few mistakes.
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Post by coachhart on Dec 23, 2011 19:50:49 GMT -6
OC at 26 - wasn't anywhere near ready, but the opportunity presented itself so I ran with it. I had some success in year one, but struggled mightily in year two. Delegating responsibilities to an offensive staff comprised of coaches that were all at least 10 years older than me was one of the most difficult things I've done professionally. It's possible to have success, but the longer we are in the game, the better we'll be.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Dec 23, 2011 20:17:37 GMT -6
Our dc last year was 19 I think. We were the 3rd of 6 defenses in the league so it was an alright result. Out offense was what let us down though
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 23, 2011 21:08:16 GMT -6
I just completed my first year as a DC. I am 27. I have been an Offensive line coach since I was 22 years old. Have to agree it is all about the experience.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Dec 23, 2011 21:23:40 GMT -6
I was 21 when I became a DC. I wasn't ready, but took full advantage of the opportunity. It was an excellent learning experience, and in reflection, of course I could have done a lot of things different or better, but that's why you live it. I'm 25 now and feel ready to be an HC. I've got a lot of support behind me from the HC I was under. As others have eluded to "you're never really ready until you do it." He himself only coached varsity football for 5 years before becoming a head coach (and an incredibly successful one at that - 90 wins in 12 years). So that really gives me a lot of confidence in my pursuit.
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 23, 2011 22:48:19 GMT -6
OC at 22, DC at 24, OC again at 26. Was hired when I was 27 as the HC, turned 28 a month later and had our first season this year.
You can never be fully ready for a HC job even though I was the assistant HC for 5 years prior to getting a HC job, I learned a ton this year about it not being about what I know, but what my staff can teach to the kids. As a coordinator I always had to only have one side of the ball to worry about so my workload tripled.
I'll never regret making the jumps I did. Moved to CA at age 24 with my buddy to be his DC and met my wife out there. Lived there for 4 years and learned from 2 different HC's and now I am back in SLC area where I grew up and am the youngest head coach in the top 3 divisions of football here.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 23, 2011 22:49:17 GMT -6
DC at 21, that went fine, I just worked the football stuff. HC at 22, I was ready and able to handle all the x and o stuff, the kids, the parents, all that. What I lacked was not age, but time in the region, I wasn't politically connected locally in an area where everyone went to high school with everybody and the league admin is run by a bunch of buddies. Got a little screwed there. A really good season at another level has set me up a lot better this year.
My experience may not translate because I am not in a football heavy region and I came in with a very strong connection (who left)
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Post by coachbw on Dec 24, 2011 0:17:12 GMT -6
I was a special teams coordinator at a small high school (250 kids) at 19. Defensive coordinator of a large high school (2000) kids at 20. Head coach at a high school at 23. I was probably the most ready for the DC job and was the least ready for the head coaching job.
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Post by airraider on Dec 24, 2011 1:12:42 GMT -6
First header job at 28... will be 33 in a couple of months.. and Im still not ready.
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Post by chemcoach on Dec 24, 2011 6:35:34 GMT -6
Got my first OC job at 22 while student teaching. Great experience. Left after a year for a teaching job. Finally got my second OC job this past year at 28. I am now in the running for my first head job at the same school at 29. My first OC job was a great experience but the difference between now and then was I now have built my own offensive philosophy instead of installing what I ran in high school. Excited about the possibility of the Head job, at every coaching job I have tried to learn as much as possible to the point I might have annoyed coaches but I think they understood.
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Post by TMGPG on Dec 24, 2011 7:47:31 GMT -6
First header job at 28... will be 33 in a couple of months.. and Im still not ready. Isn't it crazy how we can be coaching for years and still not be ready. I guess that is a sign that we are still being students of the game and always looking to improve.
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Post by blb on Dec 24, 2011 8:23:08 GMT -6
Became head coach for first time at 25.
Now I had good background-experience for that age but the amount of what I didn't know is staggering.
Heck I look back at myself at 40 and wish I knew then what I know now.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 24, 2011 8:59:13 GMT -6
OC at 24 until I was 29. Changed state and schools and am SPT coordinator at 30 to present.
Is it possible to be too young? Absolutely. I would say it's pretty hard to have a COMPLETE understanding of each position, know how to coach it, and serve as quality control...all while managing coaches and developing/installing game plans...all at a young age. This takes years of coaching to develop. I'm still not there after 10yrs of coaching.
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Post by coachb42 on Dec 24, 2011 9:02:05 GMT -6
DC at a small school at 24, HC at same school last year at 26. So much time was spent at the administrative end of things. I was ready with X's and O's, but the time spent with all the other off the field stuff surprised me and I learned on the run.
BE ORGANIZED!!!
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 24, 2011 11:49:05 GMT -6
I was 22 when I first started calling offensive plays for my former HC at my alma marter. I'm glad he had faith in me to put me in that position...but I was far too young, and thought I knew far too much. I was a "plays" guy...and was not good at all with fundamental football. Many young coaches make the same mistake. I'm certain now that we lost games because of me. 21 here. Called plays for 2 years as an OC at the MS level. Was the JV DC this year. I have gotten much better at being a "system" guy and I have gotten pretty good at sticking to it and not running plays. The problem though is that I haven't developed "coaching eyes" yet. I don't see little things/details. I can't tell from the sidelines when a team is slanting, pinching, 2-gapping, or where they are leaving themselves vulnerable, what coverage they are in, where they are blitzing, etc. As a DC, I struggled to see the schemes opponents were using too. If someone tells me what there doing, I can easily beat them within the core system. I also struggle at seeing what our interior guys (DL and OL) are doing too at times. I just don't have the "eyes" for it yet, but it has gotten a little better since I started coaching (plus I've never had a guy in the booth with headsets).
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Post by coachjd on Dec 24, 2011 12:03:26 GMT -6
College OL coach at age 24 and recruiting coordinator at 25, then back to OL coach and run game and pass pro coordinator at 27. HS head coach at 30.
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