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Post by wingtol on Dec 22, 2011 12:24:26 GMT -6
So we have this SR who was basically a ST guy, we threw him in there to block at WR but never had him in when we threw. Now he thinks he can play in college and has asked me to send his highlight to a school he has been accepted at already.
I always tell the kids we will do what ever we can for them and playing in college, the thing is I know he has zero chance of playing at this school. Also we have two kids this college is actively recruiting and had a former player star there the 4 years he played (lead team in tackles two times and was second and third the other two years).
So my question is do I call the coach who is recruiting our kids and say hey this other kid wants me to send film I know there is no way he plays at our level, but I want to let you know so I can say we contacted you like he wanted. This way the kid and his family can't say we don't try to get kids in college and the college doesn't think we are nuts.
Is that something a college coach would understand or am I better just not sending anything.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 22, 2011 14:01:52 GMT -6
They absolutely will understand- especially since they are actively recruiting other guys on your team. You can be very candid with the college coaches or let them figure it out on their own.
If they ask if the kid can play I'll tell them no, but I won't hide him from the coach either...
This is a unique situation in that you mentioned the kid wanted to send a highlight "to a school he has been accepted at already." That tells me he's probably going to go there- maybe he can walk on.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 22, 2011 16:33:57 GMT -6
Hey you never know.,.teams love walk ons..heck I was one....never had any contact w/ any coach..I showed up in the spring, became a 3 year starter..some kids just develop or mature late....
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Post by pmeisel on Dec 24, 2011 9:10:49 GMT -6
I remember a schoolmate who walked on, with "no chance", he wound up as the long snapper.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 24, 2011 10:17:04 GMT -6
He would understand, send the tape let him no why and he will understand coaches get those same calls more than u think.
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Post by tvt50 on Dec 24, 2011 10:26:22 GMT -6
Just email it to him and tell the kid you sent it to the coach. If the coach doesnt get back with you tell the kid the truth.
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Post by drewdawg265 on Dec 24, 2011 17:51:20 GMT -6
I always let the college coaches decide and if they ask my opinion I give them an honest assessment. At times I have been shocked that college coaches were not interested in some of my players at times. I also have been shocked that college coaches want my some of players to play at their university. You never know so I always send film if the player has an interest.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 27, 2011 20:32:06 GMT -6
I always let the college coaches decide and if they ask my opinion I give them an honest assessment. At times I have been shocked that college coaches were not interested in some of my players at times. I also have been shocked that college coaches want my some of players to play at their university. You never know so I always send film if the player has an interest. Yep. I'm a HS coach. My job is to try to help my kid and that's where my loyalties are. It's not my job to tell the college coach whether or not my kid can or can't play at their school. I certainly wouldn't want my junior high coaches to tells which kids could or couldn't play for me. I heard an old basketball coach talking one day and he said "I hate it when parents tell me how good their kids are, I always think - really, if he's that good, then they don't need to tell me, I'll notice." I have told community members, school people, parents and players that exact same thing. I think it applies to me as my kids go off to school. I'll answer questions and I will not lie but I refuse to make that decision for those coaches. It's not that I won't send stuff on kids, just worried about making a bad impression is all. I want to be honest with them, this kid can not play at their level. We are a small school, had about 18 varsity kids this year. He couldn't get on the field. So I guess the real question is does sending stuff like that damage your rep with college coaches? |
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 27, 2011 23:31:49 GMT -6
So I guess the real question is does sending stuff like that damage your rep with college coaches? Why should I be worried about my "rep" with a college coach? I tell 'em, 'hey, if you need ME to do YOUR job, why are they letting you recruit?'... My job isn't to evaluate talent for a college coach's school. that's HIS job. i merely give him some choices - video, names, etc. it's his job to evaluate & decide if they can use a player or not. sending video to a college coach doesn't mean, 'hey, this guy is a legit stud, he will be your next all-american' ... it simply says, 'here's some film on a player for you to evaluate.' ... what's the big deal? if, after sending film, a college coach calls to talk to you, asks you for an opinion on a specific player, tries to 'lock you into an answer' then you can either a) give it to him or b) tell him, 'hey, that's YOUR job. let's be honest, those guys aren't going to offer a kid SOLELY on what you tell them. if they think the kid can play, they'll offer him. if he's a bubble guy, the vote in the staff meeting will decide his 'fate' not likely your glowing endorsement of the guy. if they don't think he can play, then so what about your 'rep.' the next video they see, if the kid can play, um, they'll offer him. if not, well, you see the pattern? what if you tell them how great your 3-year starter at qb his. how he leads the team, intangibles, etc... they offer, he goes there and sucks. is your 'rep' damaged? or can you simply say to them, "sorry you guys coached him down. he was a hoss when he played for ME." lol but, back to the original post ... basically, sending video to some guy who's opinion i couldn't care less about has zero bearing on how i sleep at night. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 28, 2011 0:32:33 GMT -6
I look at it a bit differently Huey. I agree on 99.9% of everything you said.
But to me there is a reason why my HC averages 14 guys receiving some type of aid to play at the next level. Because of rep, not saying that you, I or he loses sleep over it. But colleges tend to trust guys who have sent them good players in the pass. They also respect when you send them film and give them the heads up.
This has already happen this year. We have a player who is more than likely going NAIA send his film to a d-1 school that will be signing 1 or 2 of our players, when that coach came by the school he did meet with this player and say to our HC, I knew he wasn't a hidden gem or you would have told me. So I think that rep does go along way.
I come from the belief that if given the option of winning a state championship or helping over 150 kids play football and receive a higher education to take the latter. While our job is to win games, it's also to train men...
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 28, 2011 1:20:47 GMT -6
I look at it a bit differently Huey. I agree on 99.9% of everything you said. But to me there is a reason why my HC averages 14 guys receiving some type of aid to play at the next level. Because of rep, not saying that you, I or he loses sleep over it. But colleges tend to trust guys who have sent them good players in the pass. They also respect when you send them film and give them the heads up. This has already happen this year. We have a player who is more than likely going NAIA send his film to a d-1 school that will be signing 1 or 2 of our players, when that coach came by the school he did meet with this player and say to our HC, I knew he wasn't a hidden gem or you would have told me. So I think that rep does go along way. I come from the belief that if given the option of winning a state championship or helping over 150 kids play football and receive a higher education to take the latter. While our job is to win games, it's also to train men... That's great. But the original topic was a young man - not deemed worthy of playing college ball - wanted his coach to send tape to a school. So, what's the big deal? Tell the college coach, "here's a young man that wants to try his hand at the next level. He didn't play much for us, but as a duty to my players, I'm sending out his film to a few schools for them to evaluate. Thanks for taking the time. If you have specific questions about this player - or any of our players - don't hesitate to call. I'll shoot you straight." Does his HS coach lose his credibility because he sent a tape at the request of his player? It's not like the coach is saying, "You should sign this guy because I sent you his tape." Basically, send the tape. Attach a "footnote" about what the player did (or didn't do) for his high school team. Leave the college coach an opportunity to contact you should he feel the need. Your other options are to: 1) Tell the player he isn't a college player and you're not going to send out his tape to anyone 2) Lie to the player, tell him you did send his tape out 3) Make a DVD for the player to send out on his own. It's really not that big of a deal. If the college coach has any type of relationship with you at all, then he'll understand when you tell him "here's a guy that wants you to look at him. He only did this for us. Call if you want more information about him or need clarification." That recruiter will see it as you merely doing a loyal duty for your players. He'll quickly see if this player even deserves that phone call in regards to him. It's not like he's going to conclude, "well, we've signed 4 guys from this coach in the past 6 years and they all were contributors for us. Now, he's an idiot because he sent me tape on THIS guy." |
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 28, 2011 6:22:23 GMT -6
I have sent out videos for this reason and been up front with the college coaches. With Hudl it is so easy to do this.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 28, 2011 10:14:17 GMT -6
I ALWAYS send video, make phone calls, or send emails to college coaches for kids who ask me to do those things for them.
I would go as far to say that I feel privileged to be able to do that.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 5, 2012 10:34:55 GMT -6
Just be honest with both the player, his family, and the school. Do everything to the best of your ability and make sure all parties understand the recruiting process.
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