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Post by coach31 on Aug 10, 2006 12:08:58 GMT -6
Guys, I am looking for some help. Any ideas would be great. We are a newer (6 years) program, and have had numbers issues since the program started. It looks like we will have some bodies this year, but they are all young and inexperienced. Of the 40 guys we have signed up, at least half will have never played organized football before. We have a youth program in place to correct that problem in the future, but for now we are going to be teaching Football 101. Does anyone have ideas as to how to acclimate our new players to the demands of being a member of a football team?
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 10, 2006 13:57:37 GMT -6
If you have youth and inexperience KISS it
Keep It Simple (and) Sound
Allow the players opportunity to grow and experience success... all great "clinic talk" right?
Teach them the only place where success comes [shadow=red,left,300]before[/shadow] work is the in the dictionary. There are certain things successful teams, people, and businesses have in common. You have to do those things. One that I like is "begin with an end in mind." What is the goal, what we are trying to accomplish? Are we trying to accomplish a 1 win season? Are we trying to be a .500 team? Are we trying to make the playoffs? (etc). Now what you do to reach that goal must follow suit. If you want to be a win 1 team you only need to outwork one team. If you want to be better than half...etc.
I guess I got off on a screwy tangent here so I hope this helps. Give some more feedback and I will try and help out some more.
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Post by coach31 on Aug 10, 2006 14:04:25 GMT -6
Coach, That is helpful. I have been keeping alot of those philosophies in mind. I was also looking for methods to get kids to learn the stuff most jr programs teach. I am not sure they will all be able to figure out how to suit up, let alone know who DE/DT/N/LB are, does anybody have a way to teach that fundamental knowledge. My ideas are Lots of Film of practice Lots of classroom including written tests/writing their own playbook A very simple version of the Wing-T (becasue I am the OC and that is what I know the best) Any other ideas?
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Post by bulldog on Aug 10, 2006 14:17:16 GMT -6
I don't know if I'd spend a lot of time on film. That is more of an advanced teaching tool. For guys who have never played football and may not be very motivated . . . I just don't think it will be a very effective use of your time.
I think I'd spend as much time on the field as possible and would really stress the fundamentals - tackling, blocking, throwing, catching . . . . pursuit, alignment, assignment, etc. I would only run 1 defensive front and 1 coverage. Then I would rep the heck out of it. I would spend a lot of time on special teams, situations (goalline, short yardage, 3rd and long, etc), and stunts (blitz pickup for O and stunts vs. any formation for the D).
I'd also find young coaches to be on your staff. Guys who are far enough removed that they are authority figures, but close enought that they can relate.
I would spend time on leadership training. If you don't know where to start here, send me a PM.
Good luck coach.
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 10, 2006 14:31:14 GMT -6
I would "chalk it-talk it-walk-it" then run it. Does that makes sense? Show it to them where to go and what to do. Then go do it. Then do it some more. Reps! They'll learn it.
Stress fundamentals. I like the idea about the leadership training.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 10, 2006 14:54:55 GMT -6
I wil reiterate what everyone has been saying above- Keep the concepts simple and rep the heck out of it. Find simple concepts and and rep it until you know you can run it better than people can stop it.
One of the best coaches I have ever known ran a very simple play book- 6-10 play run series(splitback and power I) and a complimentary play action pass off of those runs. He would rep those plays day in and day out until he knew that he could run it better than the opposing defenses could stop it. His teams just out hit you every play- smack you in the mouth and hammer the ball down your throat. One thing he said too me that I've never forgotten-
"If you break a play down to its bear fundamentals and practice it day in and day out with the right kids, then 80% of the time you will pick up yards with that play. "
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Post by brophy on Aug 10, 2006 15:59:44 GMT -6
Does anyone have ideas as to how to acclimate our new players to the demands of being a member of a football team? GREAT question. I think we take for granted how much these kids don't know. I find it very beneficial to take them EACH YEAR in a step-by-step approach of simple concepts of football. ASSUMING that they do not know (it's better than the other way around). Explain the rationale of what we "do" - why we are calling the plays we call ....etc. VIDEO is a big help with this. Teach the game, and not just the assignment. Teach WHY we run this formation against this opponent - this defense against what formation.... Best way, sometimes may be to show them with NFL cutups, College cutups, other school cutups, OR I'd even be willing (haven't done it yet) just set up MADDEN in the locker room and go over a few points (reading coverage / formation strengths) at a time. Just remember how much YOU liked the "classroom" as a 15 year old kid....
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Post by dsqa on Aug 10, 2006 20:14:13 GMT -6
Lots of encouragement. Use your seniors as mentors for the new guys to help them acclimate to the game. Use creative scrimmages to help bring thet new guys along, and let the older guys have some fun. We will play 8 on 8 games with the QBs calling their own plays. This gets the coaches out of the kids faces, and lets the guys bond. We let them play for pride and extra conditioning for the losing team, etc. But, it will allow you to let your older players bring the younger along, without the coaches having to drive it all. They keep score and down and distance.
We play 3 men on the line, and the rest is pretty much made up. We will do it once a week in the preseason, and maybe a few times during the season. Just some thoughts.
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Post by khalfie on Aug 10, 2006 20:20:46 GMT -6
Er hemm...
Double Wing...
8 plays... 6 run and 2 pass...
Run: Wedge Toss Trap Counter G-O FB
Pass: Play Actcion Flood off Toss FB Screen
1 to 4 formations.... Tight Unbal Slot Spread
Ease of blocking rules... Gap / On / Area
Deceptive, misdirection, good for smaller players...
Double Wing!
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Post by dsqa on Aug 10, 2006 20:31:51 GMT -6
I began each program I referred to above using the DW system, it is easy for sure and can produce some quick results. The only problem is that if you don't have athletes up front, then you are going to struggle with penetration. I know I will get slammed for that, but guys I have run the DW for 6 years, it is a good offense, but like any good offense, it needs personnel, and the DW can be prohibitive when you don't have a line of any kind - regardless of your skill players. I run a multiple spread, I, and 3 X1 and 2 X2 attack, but still use the DW infrastructure as the rules for runs, etc. Rules based offense is the way to go IMO.
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Post by coach31 on Aug 10, 2006 20:46:59 GMT -6
Darin, Thank you for the suggestion. I like the idea of letting the kids teach one another. I am big on having a rules based offense. All of the responses have been helpful. Any other ideas?
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Post by rbush on Aug 10, 2006 21:16:07 GMT -6
I've never actually read the book, but I know there's a Football For Dummy's. From what I've seen it's set up for people who know jack diddle about football, but maybe you could find an idea or two about how to teach the basic stuff. Just a thought.
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Post by tothehouse on Aug 10, 2006 23:48:17 GMT -6
Coach 31 - Coach your coaches!!
Coach every play. Players mirror the coaches behavior so be enthusiastic at every moment. The players will buy in faster.
Coaches need to know their stuff and get that into the heads of your young men.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 11, 2006 6:03:50 GMT -6
FUNDAMENTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's that easy don't worry about some complex system don't run plays to run plays keep it simple run a few plays well. Make sure they can block and tackle. And have fun.
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Post by brophy on Aug 11, 2006 15:42:37 GMT -6
FUNDAMENTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's that easy don't worry about some complex system don't run plays to run plays keep it simple run a few plays well. Make sure they can block and tackle. And have fun. Can't go wrong with that! If a guy can tackle...he can tackle in a 43, 53, 61, etc......plug and play.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 11, 2006 16:48:55 GMT -6
Explain your terminology fully and completely...assume that kids (especially freshmen) don't know anything. Our Junior Tackle kids come from a Wishbone background and we are predominately oneback in the high school. It's incredible to me that freshman football players don't know what terms like trap, power, pull, down block, and kick slide mean, but many of them do not.
I agree with Brophy's comment that you should explain WHY as well as HOW. For example, we were going over a QB read play today. Freshman backside tackle is supposed to arc release the DE and block the Willy LB. Well, the kid kept screwing it up and going to the wrong guy. So, at lunchtime, we took him in a classroom and showed him WHY he had to arc release the DE and block the Willy LB (in case the QB pulls the ball and runs weak side). After explaining to the kid WHY he needed to do that, he didn't screw the play up again.
I also like what Khalfie suggested...pick an offense and defense that is sound and that you can rep over and over and get really good at...it's better to do a handful of things really well rather than a lot of things half-assed.
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Post by los on Aug 11, 2006 21:02:20 GMT -6
Coach 31, I can empathize with you having spent 3 seasons with a "new" to football high school. You actually have a rare opportunity in a way, in that since they don't know how to do anything, there's no bad habits to break! You can carefully teach them exactly how you want them to do something, whether block, tackle, put your uniform on properly, lol, etc... I just looked at our kids the first day and thought, "Hmmmm, really big 8 yr olds"! Started with ABC's and went from there. Of course we never got past DEF before the season was over and only managed 1 win that first year but it was still fun! Besides learning basic fundamentals, we would always take time every day during water breaks at practice to talk about basic football rules/penalties and let the guys ask questions! Good luck and you'll find out why patience is a virtue! los
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Post by davecisar on Aug 13, 2006 6:18:47 GMT -6
Coach, I teach Youth Football and Youth Football Coaches. Most of the time we are dealing with new or very inexperienced kids.I can tell you from 15 years of doing this successfully; do not use film or tests, the kids learn by doing. We chalk it, talk it, walk it and then fit and freeze it, then rep the heck out of it. We cut out all un-essential activity out like cals, agilities and even sprints, we condition by running plays out 20 yards etc. Do LOTS OF FIT and FREEZE drills for offensive and defensive recognition and lots of first step and freeze drills. Be the best blocking and tackling team you can be by stressing and working the heck out of that. Coach what you know and perfect a few plays that compliment each other. My teams have gone 51-1 with this approach since we swtiched and we swithched because we flat out didnt have the talent to do it the old way. Dave Cisar
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