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Post by carookie on Dec 17, 2011 20:57:46 GMT -6
UL Lafayette had a team Oklahoma drill on the field during their warmup before their game today. Win or lose what are your thoughts on this?
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 17, 2011 21:02:29 GMT -6
If you do it in practice, do it in a game. I start every defensive segment/practice with something along these line, so when it comes time to pregame, I have us do something along those lines.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 17, 2011 21:14:13 GMT -6
Love it. They're a lot more intense than SDSU is for sure. We do board drill before every game and at halftime.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 17, 2011 21:32:43 GMT -6
I did this last year as the Jv Hc, best thing I ever did... Started midseason and my team was much more fired up once to start the game once we started doing this
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Post by M4 on Dec 17, 2011 21:54:47 GMT -6
we started doing a 3 level oakie drill in our pre game for the same reasons and like coachbdud we saw some dramatic results, much more fired up and much better tackling to start the game, it's hard to "ease" into contact on game day, really helped get the butterflys out of our guys
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Post by fantom on Dec 17, 2011 22:02:57 GMT -6
If it works for you, fine. I prefer to save it for the game.
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Post by k on Dec 18, 2011 0:35:47 GMT -6
More importantly has anyone ever seen illegal spinning called? =)
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 18, 2011 11:51:20 GMT -6
I saw a video of USC doing it in their locker room before a game
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Post by indian1 on Dec 18, 2011 11:56:10 GMT -6
This is a bad idea. What happens the first time a guy gets injured? To me its not worth sacrificing possible injury to make sure you are "fired up". How dumb do you look as a coach if you have one of your best guys out for the game because he got injured in THIS drill in PREGAME?
... and if you tell me you hold your best guys out of this drill in pregame then the drill is what I suspected when I saw UL Lafayette do it... a show... something for the TV people to talk about
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Post by blb on Dec 18, 2011 12:08:04 GMT -6
By "Oklahoma Drill" - do you mean live, full-go, 1-on-1?
If not, what then?
I wouldn't do that. Purpose of Pre-Game is to get loose-break a little sweat, get a hit or two and break in pads for the night's activity, get use to game atmosphere and field conditions (focus). Playing "King of the Hill" not necessary to accomplish any of that.
We do a "Tackle Around The Coach" Drill with LBers that's fairly intense and high-tempo but only involves three hits including a Form Tackle to finish. Takes less than ten seconds for each pair.
That's as far as I'd go.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 18, 2011 13:21:42 GMT -6
This is a bad idea. What happens the first time a guy gets injured? To me its not worth sacrificing possible injury to make sure you are "fired up". How dumb do you look as a coach if you have one of your best guys out for the game because he got injured in THIS drill in PREGAME? ... and if you tell me you hold your best guys out of this drill in pregame then the drill is what I suspected when I saw UL Lafayette do it... a show... something for the TV people to talk about Yeah and that same stud can get hit by a bus walking to the school for a game... Or get hurt on the opening kick off, kind of the old "god's will" If it's gonna happen it'll happen. You have the same probability of gettin Hurt every play of football... You're just adding a couple more reps to each kids total for the day... |
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Post by blb on Dec 18, 2011 13:28:33 GMT -6
Yeah and that same stud can get hit by a bus walking to the school for a game... Or get hurt on the opening kick off, kind of the old "god's will" If it's gonna happen it'll happen. You have the same probability of gettin Hurt every play of football... You're just adding a couple more reps to each kids total for the day... Well if a kid is going to get hurt for us I want it to at least be on the Opening Kick off, if not after, so he can contribute something to the Team effort to win. Not before especially when I have some control over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 13:33:39 GMT -6
We did this at one of the programs I've coached for. I had reservations for the exact reasons many of you have stated here. However, we had a very quick whistle so while it was intense, the tacklers rarely went to the ground. Also, each kid only got 2 or 3 reps so it was limited.
As a player, I would have HATED it because I hated hitting in the warmups. I wanted to get loose and stretched and pop shoulders. However, each group of kids is different and that particular group needed something like that to get them ready to play. To me, THAT is the purpose of pregame warmups--do whatever needs done to get your kids ready to play.
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Post by fantom on Dec 18, 2011 13:55:14 GMT -6
As a player, I would have HATED it because I hated hitting in the warmups. I wanted to get loose and stretched and pop shoulders. . That's my feeling, too. That's my main reason for not wanting a lot of banging in warmups. If we're really talking about a full speed Oklahoma with tackling injuries are a concern to me, too. I can't justify getting a player hurt in warmups. |
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Post by calkayne on Dec 18, 2011 17:10:26 GMT -6
One program I was with we did Machine Gun Drills pre Game.
2 lines of player alternating and attacking the ame side shoulder of the Gunner. The tempo really helped "switch on" players.
I liked it as a player and love it as a coach. Personally I believe it helps settle the nervous player down and exite the timid player.
As far as injury of risk, a couple of seconds acitvity does not present a heightened risk to me. Neither have I experienced an injury pre game and only heard of one which was due to the player not fastening his helmet.
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 18, 2011 22:20:19 GMT -6
Maybe if I am a big underdog and I know the kids need to get jacked up or maybe if they look like they are in awe. I am not willing to sacrifice a starter for one rep to be jacked up for one play. I love motivational pregame speeches as much as the next, but how many people actually remember that when there is 6:47 left in the third quarter?
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 18, 2011 22:30:39 GMT -6
Maybe if I am a big underdog and I know the kids need to get jacked up or maybe if they look like they are in awe. I am not willing to sacrifice a starter for one rep to be jacked up for one play. I love motivational pregame speeches as much as the next, but how many people actually remember that when there is 6:47 left in the third quarter? I've found having a theme for the week or game to be very helpful in this area im our pre game speech giver and RaRa coordinator  seriously though i try to find something to preach throughout the week and echo that throughout pre game and the game itself Sometimes, in the heat of the moment right before kickoff ill go a little off of what I thought i was going to talk about, something organic and real will instead come out and i can see it in the kids faces when i say something that fires them up... i then continue to preach this throughout the game many times in the season i stopped the whole team, gathered everyone on the sideline and gave a 5 second speech, reiterating that main point or theme for that game or week of practice some may think its stupid, but i really believe it helps... i am big into sports psychology... the ole 90% of the game is half mental |
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Post by mitch on Dec 19, 2011 12:21:37 GMT -6
I feel like one of the keys to the game of football, if not THE key, is being more physical than the other team. I want that to be the identity of our football team. Therefore, we include it in everything we do, including the 'warm-up'.
I've never done 'Oklahoma Drill', but don't have a problem with it. Personally, we do a full-speed tackling drill that we start each practice with during our pre-game. We do it with the entire team right in front of our stands. The crowd gets VERY excited and so do our kids. Some of the other coaches we play every year will get their team off the field before we start so their kids don't see us hitting each other like that, so an unintended benefit has been a little bit of an intimidation factor, I guess.
It seems to me that 'warm-up' should include doing everthing you are going to do in a game. I don't want my QB's first 50 yard heave down the field to be during the game, and I don't want the first time a kid hits full speed to be during the game, either.
I've never understood the fear of injury thing, either. If you had a kid twist an ankle throwing passes on air in pre-game, would you discontinue that?
We actually have had the twisted ankle on air thing, but have NEVER had an injury tackling in pre-game.
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Post by CoachF on Dec 20, 2011 17:19:59 GMT -6
I love it, i think you get the kids revved up. The kids haven't hit all day, maybe a little in pre warm-up. I think it gives them a little taste of the game before it happens, so they're more eager to the hit the guy across from them.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 20, 2011 18:53:57 GMT -6
never done pregame oklahoma, but have done a modified" bull in the ring" at the 50 yard line in pregame, pretty intense
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 20, 2011 22:32:16 GMT -6
It wasn't about 'hype' for me, it was about preparing the players to GO HARD so that when the first play comes, they're ready. I don't really jive to getting the kids 'hyped', but if we do it in practice, we oughta do it in a game.
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Post by coachirish on Dec 24, 2011 18:15:25 GMT -6
We started doing something similiar to this the second half of this season. At the very end of our warm up we make a big circle and get 2 players on the ground helmet to helmet. A coach tosses 1 of them the ball then they get up for the tackle. We do this just for about 2 minutes. Not everybody goes just mainly starters. It really helped us start the game physical. Plus the other team would look at us like we were crazy. Everybody on the team around the circle yells and gets loud. I love it and will continue to use it in the future.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 31, 2011 20:38:19 GMT -6
Previous stop, small rural school, going across county to play a rival for a JV game, I am the HC for the JV so that means me and another slappy get to miss the thursday walk through and handle it.
I always am the get there 30 minutes too early guy, wife hates it when we are waiting for the roadies to open the gates for the concert.... I just hate being late. PLUS this game is verses where I went to high school.........
So the ride takes way less than I planned (IE we have to find somebody to open the gate), I had the kids dressed before we leave, and so once inside, we just start our pregame........
Weeeeeeellllllllll, after we have gone through pregame..... took a break, then went through pregame AGAIN...... I am looking for something to do because the other team is just now stretching.....
So I send the boys over to get water again.... I huddle up my staff (me and the other guy) and he say, "WTF are we going to do now???" I put on my best Bear Bryant face and say, "Let's do Bull in the Ring".
Now let me say this school/town that I was coaching in is the type of place you never have to worry about making your kids 'tough'. You never have to tell a 7th/8th grader to 'roll your hips' during a tackle drill. You never have to tell a kid to 'stick your nose in there' on a block or tackle. These kids were tougher than a case hard cut nail.
Soooooo any how, we are getting after it in with our Bull in the Ring warm up drill........ and the the other team literally stopped warming up and jaw dropped, watched us light each other up.
Game was over before that captains were called up to flip the coin.
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