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Post by coachhart on Dec 13, 2011 19:00:27 GMT -6
I got to thinking today about the term "young coach" and exactly what that means. My question is this: at what point in a coach's career does he shed the "young coach" label and become a "veteran?" I know that this is completely subjective but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
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Post by blb on Dec 13, 2011 19:06:28 GMT -6
I got to thinking today about the term "young coach" and exactly what that means. My question is this: at what point in a coach's career does he shed the "young coach" label and become a "veteran?" I know that this is completely subjective but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts. Sometime between getting your first job, getting fired for the first time, and retiring. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 13, 2011 19:19:05 GMT -6
one day you wake up and you realize you are the oldest guy on the staff and the guys you coached at the beginning of you career are older than the coaches you coach with
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 13, 2011 20:10:23 GMT -6
I was the third oldest coach in the program from day one. And I was 22!
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Post by tvt50 on Dec 13, 2011 20:13:47 GMT -6
When the players start saying coach you got lot of grey hair and youve been coaching longer than your players have been in school. I thinks thats when you start becoming veteren. But being young is relative. Somebody said Les Miles is still a young head coach, so who knows. I guess everybodys young compared to Joe Pa.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 13, 2011 21:40:58 GMT -6
by definition, a 'veteran' has given a long service to a field. so, how long is 'long'? it is relative, no doubt. but, trying to put a number of years on it, I guess we could start by looking at the average # of years a retired coach has put in. around here, most coaches retire after having put in around 30 to 35 years, some longer. So, if we just took 35 years coaching as a full career, then we might assume that a 'veteran' has coached more years than what he has left in his career. Going by this rudimentary math, 18 years. If we look at 30 as the number of years in a career, then 16 might be the number. In the NFL, a player with 3 years is considered a 'veteran' and now becomes eligible for restricted free agency. Seeing as how the average NFL career is about 4 years, I used the same concept of 'more years in the past than in the future' in defining "my" definition of a veteran. So, based on my totally amateur conclusion - faulty, flawed, more likely  - I would say that after about 16 years of coaching, one is a 'veteran'...  |
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Post by realdawg on Dec 14, 2011 6:34:17 GMT -6
I just finished my 11th year, but at 32 years old still considered myself a young guy, until a guy that I coached my first two years joined the staff. That made me feel old fast.
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Post by JVD on Dec 14, 2011 6:35:01 GMT -6
I think it depends on the group your with.
When I speaking with players or younger coaches than I...I feel like a veteran.
When at a clinic or on coachhuey.com....I feel like a rookie!
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Post by blb on Dec 14, 2011 7:44:42 GMT -6
I've been coaching twice as long as my players have been alive - what's beyond "veteran"?
I think I became the veteran when my mentors retired.
My second head job I was just 30 and only married guy on the staff.
After games eventually I had to tell them "I'm going to bed. I don't care how long you stay but pick up the empties and turn out the lights."
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Post by JVD on Dec 14, 2011 7:48:57 GMT -6
After games eventually I had to tell them "I'm going to bed. I don't care how long you stay but pick up the empties and turn out the lights." I'm the only one married with a 1 1/2 year old... I'm a "1 beer and outa here" kinda guy! |
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Post by blb on Dec 14, 2011 8:01:00 GMT -6
I'm the only one married with a 1 1/2 year old... I'm a "1 beer and outa here" kinda guy! That's a good thing, jvd, but it was hard for me to be "outta here" when it was my house! |
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Post by veerman on Dec 14, 2011 8:05:25 GMT -6
LOL now that's awesome...did the wife make food for the staff after games too? Like the idea of bringing staff over after games though.
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Post by blb on Dec 14, 2011 8:08:19 GMT -6
LOL now that's awesome...did the wife make food for the staff after games too? Like the idea of bringing staff over after games though. Yes or ordered in (pizza, Subway) We were going to celebrate or commiserate together - part of the gig as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 14, 2011 8:27:29 GMT -6
Well, according to Huey's math, I'm 3 years shy of being a veteran. But, let me tell you, I sure and the hell don't feel like it. But, that's also because I spent the first 2-3 years of my career focused on developing the Facemelter 2.0 offense, instead of learning how to coach.
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Post by coachhart on Dec 14, 2011 8:30:16 GMT -6
blb, veerman - we had a new HC this year and this is the first time we'd ever gone to the header's house after games. We were a much more cohesive group and made it to the state finals so I think it works!
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Post by ajreaper on Dec 14, 2011 10:46:57 GMT -6
I am not sure if you can attach a # of years to it, I think its more about your knowledge base and confidence level. Its about knowing what to expect and having a plan to address and its about heading off issues before they become issue- some guys are veterans after 4-5 years and some guys are not after 25 years. I believe when you use the term veteran it implies a standard of knowledge and ability not just you have managed to hang around a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 12:09:17 GMT -6
This is my tenth year in education--variety of jobs, not all teaching--and I've coached nine of the ten years. I still feel like a "newbie" but I'm experienced enough to know how embarassingly bad I was as a coach at my first job, haha!
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 14, 2011 12:20:52 GMT -6
This is my tenth year in education--variety of jobs, not all teaching--and I've coached nine of the ten years. I still feel like a "newbie" but I'm experienced enough to know how embarassingly bad I was as a coach at my first job, haha! I don't know if I was bad at my first job but I was certainly not smart...Just kept my head down and did what I was told, which was good because there were plenty of guys to help me out |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 12:44:25 GMT -6
My main problem as a young coach was one that I think a lot of young coaches have in terms of discipline and that unfortunately carried over into the classroom for me too. The thing with coaching specifically is that I wanted to say I was a coach more than I actually wanted to be a coach, so I didn't put in the time necessary to grow as a coach. Unfortunately by the time I realized and developed my passion for coaching, it was too late and I threw a golden opportunity away with my first job.
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Post by raiderx on Dec 14, 2011 13:34:50 GMT -6
I coach right now with a guy who has 15+ years in the business. I have not been around nearly that long. I have studied daily since I got in...all kinds of styles of O and D...all positions...while concentrating on OL...even with his years of experience - he is not any kind of coach. Sometimes it is about work ethic and trying to better yourself - finding outside resources to learn from and not just stopping after the last football game and starting again when August rolls around. I have worked with to many of these August to December coaches over the years. So...to me years is relative...knowledge and willingness to learn is a bigger thing. Yes - years help to learn certain things about the game...but years ain't everything.
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Post by kcbazooka on Dec 14, 2011 13:39:35 GMT -6
i definitely feel old some days but hopefully not over the hill. When your coaching the kids of former players you had you are considered veteran. Working hard to get out before any of their grandchildren show up in pads.
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Post by tojorich on Dec 14, 2011 17:42:57 GMT -6
I think we're all young coaches in terms of learning/knowing the game. We're all striving to absorb as much and learn as much as we can. As a coach, we're never done learning about this game. If a coach thinks he knows it all, it's time for him to retire. I'm a vet in terms of my age but I got a late start coaching Football so I consider myself a young coach. Of course, that's from the perspective of an 'old fart' so take it for what it's worth. Whatever your age or experience, continue to learn/teach this awesome game.
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Post by 4slife0 on Dec 14, 2011 21:13:48 GMT -6
I think we're all young coaches in terms of learning/knowing the game. We're all striving to absorb as much and learn as much as we can. As a coach, we're never done learning about this game. If a coach thinks he knows it all, it's time for him to retire. I'm a vet in terms of my age but I got a late start coaching Football so I consider myself a young coach. Of course, that's from the perspective of an 'old fart' so take it for what it's worth. Whatever your age or experience, continue to learn/teach this awesome game. I agree coach. I remember going to an AFCA convention and listening to Jerry Moore of APP ST talk about Eddie Robinson (all time wins leader at the time) sit in the front row and take notes as fervently as anyone in the room. There is always room to improve on becoming a better coach. I remember my college coach would remind us in order to be a successful coach I needed to spend at least an hour a day on my craft. Great post. This is year 11 as a coach for me man it seems like yesterday I started out. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 15, 2011 7:41:38 GMT -6
I think we're all young coaches in terms of learning/knowing the game. We're all striving to absorb as much and learn as much as we can. As a coach, we're never done learning about this game. If a coach thinks he knows it all, it's time for him to retire. I'm a vet in terms of my age but I got a late start coaching Football so I consider myself a young coach. Of course, that's from the perspective of an 'old fart' so take it for what it's worth. Whatever your age or experience, continue to learn/teach this awesome game. I agree coach. I remember going to an AFCA convention and listening to Jerry Moore of APP ST talk about Eddie Robinson (all time wins leader at the time) sit in the front row and take notes as fervently as anyone in the room. There is always room to improve on becoming a better coach. I remember my college coach would remind us in order to be a successful coach I needed to spend at least an hour a day on my craft. Great post. This is year 11 as a coach for me man it seems like yesterday I started out. I remember SEEING Eddie Robinson In the front row..LOL |
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Post by jpdaley25 on Dec 15, 2011 10:00:17 GMT -6
When you've got case of athlete's foot that is older than any of your players, you've become a veteran.
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- I would say that after about 16 years of coaching, one is a 'veteran'... 
