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Post by fantom on Dec 7, 2011 22:57:56 GMT -6
Here's a story about a HS who is saying that another team got coaching help from a visiting college coach during a game. www.roanoke.com/sports/highschool/wb/302048I wouldn't have given the situation a second thought.
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Post by downdownkick on Dec 7, 2011 23:41:07 GMT -6
I think this is a non-issue, there's not much a guy can do to change a game just by being on the sideline. The concrete is pretty much dry by kickoff, its not like you can install scheme or teach technique during a time out.
"He's helping out. It's not that he's calling any plays whatsoever. It's a situation, 'Hey, you need to kick a field goal.' Something like that." This is the gist of it. Oh, you think I should kick here on 4th-7? Gee, thanks coach. Not much different than the parent who grabs me on the way to halftime to tell me we need to tackle better.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 8, 2011 8:50:49 GMT -6
Lol.... People will b-tch about anything.. I guess the papers around here need to do a dirt piece on me as I was on the sidelines of every middle school game this year helping out.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Dec 8, 2011 9:10:07 GMT -6
That is pretty lame if you ask me. Who cares.
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Post by gdoggwr on Dec 8, 2011 9:25:15 GMT -6
That's weak. What are they expecting here? We got beat on the field, but we went to state because we b!tched about a college coach hanging out on the sideline. Be proud of that accomplishment boys, we'll hang the banner in the gym. And I thought our AD had issues.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 8, 2011 10:50:46 GMT -6
He's been there a couple of times this year," the Brookville coach said. "He's volunteering. He's helping out. It's not that he's calling any plays whatsoever. It's a situation, 'Hey, you need to kick a field goal.' Something like that... IMO if he is advising on situations, he is coaching...if he is coaching he is cheating.We played in a playoff game a few years back and the other team had an extra coach from an opposing team up in there both looking at defenses etc..we knew of that and siad something before the game
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Post by wingtol on Dec 8, 2011 11:19:34 GMT -6
I don't get what the big deal is. I would have never even thought this would be illegal in some states. Crazy.
We played in a state championship game years ago that was part of a documentary about the head coach from the other school. Watching it we found out that his son, who is now the DC of the Jets and at the time was a HC at another HS, was in the box at the game and the coach would only talk to his son on the head sets. Geeze maybe we should go to our state association and try and get that game forfeited so we could get another ring!
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:30:01 GMT -6
Not a big deal...but as coaches, we don't get to decide which rules we follow...I personally thinkthe horse collar rule is stupid...we got called for it a couple of times this year..kid does the same thing a year ago its ok....why can't we use electronic devices? Hey coach Petinne wouldn't even have to go the the games..just give him a live feed and a cell phone lol
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Post by fantom on Dec 8, 2011 11:34:06 GMT -6
The question seems to be what's meant by an "ineligible coach".
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Post by jrk5150 on Dec 8, 2011 13:08:44 GMT -6
I found this comment interesting:
"He's interpreting the rule differently than the way I would interpret the rule," the Cave Spring AD said. "He is the director in charge of rules and regulations, so he should know the rules."
I don't know how to take that - is that last part "he should know the rules" saying that he doesn't know them? As in there's no excuse for him not to? Or is it a literal comment that he's in charge, he should know the rules, so that's what the rule must be even if I had a different interpretation.
The interpretation from the state association is that "ineligible" means someone like a coach kicked out or suspended, in other words a person who was previously ruled ineligible, as opposed to someone like a visitor on the sideline. To me, that's a reasonable interpretation, it very well could have been the intent of the rule, and certainly can be read that way.
I think the next pertinent question would be whether the rules specify who is eligible to coach on the sideline. If there is no such specific language saying that only X and Y are "eligible" to coach during a game, then that adds even more validity to the state's ruling of no foul. Without a definition of eligible, then ineligible can only be defined as someone who was affirmatively declared ineligible.
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Post by tog on Dec 8, 2011 13:56:01 GMT -6
we have way too many lawyers in this world
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 8, 2011 14:13:07 GMT -6
I only think it would be a conflict of interest on the college's end...WTH
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 8, 2011 15:33:47 GMT -6
In our league, you re only allowed to have X amount of coaches, they have to be specified at the beginning of the season..so anyone else, at least in our league would be ineligible, i guess
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Post by fantom on Dec 8, 2011 15:43:18 GMT -6
In our league, you re only allowed to have X amount of coaches, they have to be specified at the beginning of the season..so anyone else, at least in our league would be ineligible, i guess I don't think that's a VHSL rule, though.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 8, 2011 16:10:07 GMT -6
In our league, you re only allowed to have X amount of coaches, they have to be specified at the beginning of the season..so anyone else, at least in our league would be ineligible, i guess I don't think that's a VHSL rule, though. probably right..I call our leauge the Hedges league..anyone pops their head up to try to rise above the others gets chopped off so it all looks even....My first year I get the bright idea to bring our lifting program to the jr high..well you would have thought that I was committing murder..went all the way up to the super..BTW..good luck this week...don't know if you knew the the N stafford coach is bigM0073 on this board..good dude
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Post by fantom on Dec 8, 2011 16:16:53 GMT -6
don't know if you knew the the N stafford coach is bigM0073 on this board..good dude Yeah. Sorry I missed him at the game.
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Post by k on Dec 8, 2011 23:12:31 GMT -6
I've been on the sideline for two playoff games so far this year and will be on the sideline of another one tomorrow... None of them are mine... All of them are different teams...
Ooops...
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Post by fantom on Dec 9, 2011 9:25:18 GMT -6
I agree, I think the issue would reside on the college coach's side of life. A guy I went to HS with is a D1 assistant...he couldn't attend his brother's HS basketball games over the holidays because of NCAA rules on visits to one HS. I thought that was the dumbest thing ever. The coach's alma mater, his parents still live in the same house, his youngest brother playing basketball in the same gym he did...and he can't go because of the NCAA? That's stupid. I agree TOG - way too many lawyers. This guy is a D.3 coach. They don't have the same recruiting restrictions.
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Post by fantom on Dec 9, 2011 13:24:48 GMT -6
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