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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 9:44:55 GMT -6
We tell our players that they need to understand the difference between being "hurt" and "injured" and missing practice. What policies do coaches have in place to "categorize" these and hold the kids accountable for missing practice?
I tell the kids that they have to come to practice with a doctor's note if they are too "injured" to practice. Missing Monday's practice because they're dinged up is only excused if they go to the clinic that same day. Otherwise, they are suited up, on the field and participating. I may hold them out of contact and have them ice (if appropriate) but that's about as lenient as I get. We have this kind of policy because our kids are used to getting out of practice during basketball season. They're always "injured".
I am interested to see what other coaches do and whether their policy is reflective of the attitudes of the community.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 1, 2011 9:58:30 GMT -6
I will assume this is for schools that don't have a licensed trainer on staff....
otherwise, they see the trainer. trainer sets their rehab plan and the parameters for what they can do. if they aren't going through treatment & rehab then they are not going to get better - which means they can't help us, which would mean they have removed themselves from the team.
objective is to get the injury treated, get it rehabilitated, get back to playing, missing only the minimal amount of time required, and maintaining as much of their 'conditioning' and 'football skills' as possible.
we don't have any kids simply "sit out until they're better" ... trainer sets up the treatment and/or rehab routine.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 1, 2011 10:04:41 GMT -6
If you're injured, unless you're in the hospital, it is cleared to me through the team trainer. No matter, you're on the field in gym shorts and are observing. If you've been dinged up and need a little light practice time, again it is cleared to me through the team trainer and still you're on the field and observing. Whichever, I need to know so there aren't any lawsuits.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 10:08:35 GMT -6
I will assume this is for schools that don't have a licensed trainer on staff.... otherwise, they see the trainer. trainer sets their rehab plan and the parameters for what they can do. if they aren't going through treatment & rehab then they are not going to get better - which means they can't help us, which would mean they have removed themselves from the team. objective is to get the injury treated, get it rehabilitated, get back to playing, missing only the minimal amount of time required, and maintaining as much of their 'conditioning' and 'football skills' as possible. we don't have any kids simply "sit out until they're better" ... trainer sets up the treatment and/or rehab routine. We don't have a trainer and it is friggin killing me. This is the first program I have ever been involved in that didn't have one. |
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Post by blb on Dec 1, 2011 10:18:29 GMT -6
Only Trainer determines whether player can practice (and to what extent) and play or not.
Injured players are expected to attend practice normally including wearing helmet unless concussed.
We tell parents at June meeting not to take kids to family physician unless emergency because the doctor will tell them they're out two weeks just for walking through the door because of liability and ignorance about athletic injuries and rehabilitation.
Under no circumstances can a player rule himself out of practice.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 1, 2011 10:25:22 GMT -6
To take what blb said a step further:
Athletes are not to see school nurse for injuries- ours is great but she'll pull the "take the day off" card in a heartbeat...
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 10:29:33 GMT -6
I don't have a trainer fellas. Don't you guys think that I would obviously defer to them and let them do their job if I did?
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Post by blb on Dec 1, 2011 10:41:21 GMT -6
I don't have a trainer fellas. Don't you guys think that I would obviously defer to them and let them do their job if I did? Sorr-ee. I failed that Mind Reading class, you have to give more help. In that case, especially with your numbers (kids knowing they're going to play regardless) - you're screwed. |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 10:49:41 GMT -6
To take what blb said a step further: Athletes are not to see school nurse for injuries- ours is great but she'll pull the "take the day off" card in a heartbeat... I have fallen back on ours a little bit because she's a hard-ass. But, it did bite me in the a-- a little this year. We had a kid who dinged up his shoulder, she cleared him to practice without contact for a day and then start hitting again. Turned out he had separated it and absolutely shredded the d-mn thing the next game. |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 11:07:06 GMT -6
I don't have a trainer fellas. Don't you guys think that I would obviously defer to them and let them do their job if I did? Sorr-ee. I failed that Mind Reading class, you have to give more help. In that case, especially with your numbers (kids knowing they're going to play regardless) - you're screwed. Nah, I stick to my guns with the whole thing. We've played several games with 8-9 guys because I have followed my policy. We looked at forfeiting a game two years ago because a kid tried to ditch out on practice because he had a "terrible cough". I told him and his teammates that he wouldn't play and we would forfeit the game if he missed. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 1, 2011 11:54:17 GMT -6
In the immortal words of my mother, "If it's not bleeding, broken, or busted, I don't want to hear about it." I was lucky last year to have a couple of kids who would mercilessly mock other players who had "booboos."
At the HS level I'm finding it ridiculous; it's more fashionable among them to have some terrible malady than to actually play. Finally in the last game of the year our DC had to double as our trainer (he's almost qualified) and he benched a couple of kids for not being injured, he was fed up of the histrionics.
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Post by coachvann on Dec 1, 2011 12:39:17 GMT -6
We have no trainer here either and it is tough...we do encourage the kid not to go see family doctor as stated before.
I did have a mom say that I am not in charge of her child's well being.
So I put in a policy saying for every day of practice you miss you miss a quarter of the game. That has covered our butts from school work to "injuries". We stick to the rule and the kid sees we are staying by our guns...so I did not have to deal with that issue once this year!!
The kids end up forgoing a doctor's visit bc they know it will translate into loss of time.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Dec 1, 2011 13:49:37 GMT -6
Really? You guys have problems with kids not wanting to play?
Last year, my last training of preseason I had a full back land on ankle. I strapped it, iced it and rested as much as I could (still had to work) and missed our first game of the season. Went back for week 2 and tore ligaments off my ankle in the second quarter. I knew it was hurting before I went on but figured I'd try anyway. That knocked me out for 7 weeks. This is more the problem we have. Coaches have to watch the players for injuries cause guys won't step back when they need to
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 1, 2011 14:16:16 GMT -6
No, we have kids who don't want to practice, and want to play, but want the big moment of being gravely wounded on the field and be carried off by concerned teammates, and then make a noble, heroic, and triumphant return.
We had a kid need to be carried off the field after a game, where he missed the second half, on account of 6 square inches worth of rugburn.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 14:44:14 GMT -6
I don't push them to go to the doctor, but I tell them the only way it will be excused if they do so. So, if they go in, it's with the understanding that they will probably miss two weeks because the GP will pull them out for that long.
We do have a parent who is a doctor and he has been pretty good about helping us out; getting kids to his office and giving them realistic time lines.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 1, 2011 14:49:49 GMT -6
No, we have kids who don't want to practice, and want to play, but want the big moment of being gravely wounded on the field and be carried off by concerned teammates, and then make a noble, heroic, and triumphant return. We had a kid need to be carried off the field after a game, where he missed the second half, on account of 6 square inches worth of rugburn. Lol, I am amazed I didn't get into trouble this year because I threw a kid right back onto the field after pulling that kind of sh-t. He came off in agony after getting cleated in the shins; he had 3 scratches along his calf. |
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Post by mattyg2787 on Dec 1, 2011 15:24:28 GMT -6
I haven't been playing hard enough if I don't wake up the next morning and think "how the he'll did I get bruised/scratched/busted open there?"
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