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Post by huthuthut on Nov 26, 2011 15:15:22 GMT -6
Players in the pros and now college wearing their knee pads (if they even wear them) way above the knee. This year we had to remind our players (or be reminded by officials) to pull the pants down or come out of the game. Just another battle of trying to keep them from emulating what they see on tv. The thing is its a rule and the refs just tot ally ignore it.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Nov 26, 2011 16:51:48 GMT -6
It's the same as mouth-guards, tailpads, etc. It's a false generalization about HS refs because I have seen it enforced. No big deal. Just another one of the "little things." Don't stress over it.
NFL: That is not football. It is an entertainment business. Don't go/base anything in cases like this on the pros. It's irrelevant.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 26, 2011 17:33:08 GMT -6
It drives me nuts. Hardly any kids clip their shoulder pads around here, it turned out to be costing our young QB 15 yards in range. And they treat mouth guards like fashion accessories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 9:09:37 GMT -6
It bothers me, but not in the sense you're talking about. It bothers me in that the NFL will fine people over wearing the wrong colored shoes or having a towel that's too long, but then obviously not care about things that should be safety issues, which supposedly is the priority of the NFL offices now.
And, yes, I agree with the sentiments on fashion of today's high school players, but that's ALWAYS been going on. Fantom pointed out in a previous thread that many people wore neck rolls simply because they looked cool. I also coached with a guy who is as old school as it gets, and he admitted that when he was in high school, he put a layer of black paint on his shoes before every game because he liked how they almost glittered in the lights! It's always been going on, I guess is my point.
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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 27, 2011 11:04:22 GMT -6
we got the used pads from the new orleans saints equipment maNager one year. I pretty much could not use them - basically the same protection as a paper plate. I understand speed kills but i don't see how more NFLers dont get hurt/bruises which wouold also slow them down I would think
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Post by tvt50 on Nov 27, 2011 12:30:19 GMT -6
doesnt bother me at all
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Post by airman on Nov 27, 2011 16:05:00 GMT -6
it is interesting how the refs look the other way. you go to a soccer game and the refs line the kids up before the game and do an inspection of equipment.
my dislike is kids with tongue piercing who balk at taking them out.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 27, 2011 16:33:05 GMT -6
We had a kid with a nipple piercing who refused to take it out. The inevitable happened, and that was the end of that.
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Post by airman on Nov 27, 2011 16:36:25 GMT -6
We had a kid with a nipple piercing who refused to take it out. The inevitable happened, and that was the end of that. what did he think was going to happen? When i look as some of these kids faces I wonder when did shrapnel become a fashion accessory. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 27, 2011 16:41:35 GMT -6
You wouldn't believe how much blood and screaming there was.
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Post by realdawg on Nov 27, 2011 19:24:04 GMT -6
We had a kid in a JV game get called for a penalty for wearing his knee pads above his knees. However, not really his fault because at 6 feet 6 inches tall, his pants werent long enough to reach his knees.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 27, 2011 19:29:36 GMT -6
did you have to tell them more than once?
if you did, then.. yes, that would bother me.
however, if they listened to you after you told them how it was going to be, then I don't have a problem with it. kids picked up 'modeled' behavior all the time. they take what they see on TV as the way it is 'supposed' to be... that is, until we show them the real way.
so, no problem with kids being misguided and then molded correctly by their coaches. Big problem with kids having to be told twice in regards to rules & policy.
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Post by pvogel on Nov 28, 2011 0:34:28 GMT -6
clement- if i witnessed that event first hand it would be hard for me to keep a straight face.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 28, 2011 0:39:28 GMT -6
I did not.
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Post by julien on Nov 28, 2011 5:27:43 GMT -6
We had a kid with a nipple piercing who refused to take it out. The inevitable happened, and that was the end of that. what did he think was going to happen? When i look as some of these kids faces I wonder when did shrapnel become a fashion accessory. I played against a QB that used to had nipple piercing... He did not finished the game. He screamed like a pig. I can still hear him. Awfull. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Nov 28, 2011 9:24:24 GMT -6
Its their decision, especially in the NFL - they are adults who can make their own calculated risk
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Post by fantom on Nov 28, 2011 9:44:54 GMT -6
Its their decision, especially in the NFL - they are adults who can make their own calculated risk I wouldn't be surprised to see the NFL pass a rule mandating that they cover their knees. It has nothing to do with knee injuries. It's because of the emphasis on preventing concussions. Hitting your head on an unpadded leg hurts a lot more than a padded one. What bothers me more than knee pads is the NFL guys wearing properly fitted helmets. It used to be that you rarely saw a helmet come off but now it happens several times a game. Well-fitted helmets do not come off that easily. Be that as it may whatever the pro players do it's up to us coaches to make sure that our HS kids wear their stuff properly. |
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Post by coachks on Nov 28, 2011 10:19:48 GMT -6
Its their decision, especially in the NFL - they are adults who can make their own calculated risk I wouldn't be surprised to see the NFL pass a rule mandating that they cover their knees. It has nothing to do with knee injuries. It's because of the emphasis on preventing concussions. Hitting your head on an unpadded leg hurts a lot more than a padded one. What bothers me more than knee pads is the NFL guys wearing properly fitted helmets. It used to be that you rarely saw a helmet come off but now it happens several times a game. Well-fitted helmets do not come off that easily. Be that as it may whatever the pro players do it's up to us coaches to make sure that our HS kids wear their stuff properly. Not to mention the type of helmet that those teams can afford. There is no excuse for an NFL player to ever lose a helmet. They can afford the best of the best. No need for little clip-on chin straps, those things should have heavy duty bolts. Te entire illusion of "safety first" in the NFL, when they have guys wearing undersized pads (or, paper thin ones), improperly fitted helmets and no mouthpiece. |
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Post by calkayne on Nov 28, 2011 10:23:36 GMT -6
This is not exactly isolated. The idea of Style and Style Points has been going on for ever.
I has a player that refused to insert knee pads. So I told him he better put some in otherwise he wont be playing. He came back with tissue paper (a single piece in each knee pocket) for pads. HC said it was fine... whaddya gonna do.
We have what is called a pass check before every game. Each team has to present its kitted players for the Refs. If they arent correctly padded, they arent cleared to play.
Even the colour of the Mouthguard is checked, Red and Clear Mouthguards are prohibited. But actually having one in your mouth on the field, thats not always controlled.
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Post by calkayne on Nov 28, 2011 10:24:49 GMT -6
Correct me if I am wrong, but dont many Pros and College players hollow out their pads to make them lighter? I believe that has been going on for decades also.
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Post by dacoordinator on Nov 28, 2011 11:13:33 GMT -6
It is a sign of the times we live in… Kids want to emulate what that see every where…
Hell even we as coaches want to emulate what see done on the field… Just saying
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Post by saintcoach on Nov 28, 2011 12:09:29 GMT -6
Last season, we downed a punt on the 4 yard line. Just before the snap, the ref threw a flag. Two, 15 yards penalties for players having the wrong colored mouthguards. They both had mouthguards in their mouths. They were good ones too...made by the dentist. The crime was that they were clear with a white colored oval on the front.
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Post by airman on Nov 28, 2011 14:36:27 GMT -6
back in college i remember guys pulling their thigh pads apart. inside the thigh pad was a hard plastic piece that gave the pad its protection. they would take this out, put the pad back together and wear that. it looked like you had a thigh pad but it was soft.
i did not do this because as a running back you got hit hard.
I know other guys used to cut the circle part out of the knee pad and wear that for a knee pad. also, our tailback used butt pad for hit pads.
a very simple way to take care of the knee pad issue is do what my high school coach did. you were all give a pair of pullup knee pads like volleyball players wear but not as thick of padding. you wore them under your pants for knee pads.
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Post by tye2021 on Nov 29, 2011 3:46:30 GMT -6
When I played I cut my knee pads in half. They reach right at the knee just barley legal. i also used youth thigh pads. Never got hurt....... then again I was only 5'5 (still 5'5) and knew how to run behind my shoulder pads. Hard for anybody to get lower than me.  |
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