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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 26, 2011 7:59:23 GMT -6
i think we are going to shorten our pregame - the longer i am in coaching the less time i think the pregame should be (can i get an amen?!??!) We are also considering not going back to the lockerroom after pregame as several of or away games the visiting lockerrooms are far away. We want to have teh same pregame routine for both home and away so we are thinking of changing what we have done in the past.
If anybody else does that - how do you spend the final 15 minutes before the game out on the field??
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Nov 26, 2011 8:54:44 GMT -6
I hate pre-game! I think us football coaches over do the time before the game. I hated it in college. It was like having practice before the game! We always talked about how we were exhausted before the game even began.
What really needs to be done?
Loosen up.
QBs throw some balls.
Kickers kick - returns catch.
Run some plays.
Walk through some defense.
Play!
One of the best games my teams played was when we showed very late for a game. We got off the bus stretched, threw the ball around and had a great game.
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Post by huthuthut on Nov 26, 2011 15:04:51 GMT -6
Several years ago one of our key players asked that we shorten our pregame ritual. He complained that he was gassed before the opening kickoff (especially on very hot early-season games). He asked "if it's supposed to help us perform better why don't we do all this BS before practice". That did it for us. Now we basically do our pre-practice routine before every game. About 20 min and we're done (and ready)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 15:07:14 GMT -6
I agree as well. I've always felt a half-hour is enough time. I've been in programs--I'm sure we all have--where we were taking the field an hour before kickoff....
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Post by buckeye7525 on Nov 26, 2011 15:14:21 GMT -6
Huthut, what do you guys do for pregame, now?
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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 26, 2011 16:24:58 GMT -6
i'm reevaluating whether you even need to do offensive plays. if the kids don't know them by pre-game they are probably not going to know them. i'm not going to show anything new we put in - the only thing i can see about running o-plays is the defense gets to see our splits/formations/plays a little closer than what they saw on film. it also gives the opponents a chance to hear our cadence. same concern about showing defense in pre-game. our kids had better know it by friday night and i'd just as soon the opponents didn't see our adjustments vs schemes like fly, veer, no-back etc.
agreed kickers, passers, receivers need to loosen up and i'd like our team to wrap up so their first hit it isn't on kickoff (assistant doesn't want to - so debate continues) but besides that i'm not sure anything else is needed.
we've probably all seen this - but i've had assistant coaches go all-pro during warmups. thought are kids worked way too intense pre-game....
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Post by huthuthut on Nov 26, 2011 17:37:49 GMT -6
Specialists start 10 min earlier; kicks, snaps, returns, etc. Players warm up by position (dynamic warm up followed by whatever they normally do pre-practice; form tackle or ball drills or o line fits and drive block, etc). A very short pursuit drill with int returns and team take off on offense ( these go on simultaneously). We finish with a couple of PATs or FGs.
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Post by huthuthut on Nov 26, 2011 17:38:22 GMT -6
Specialists start 10 min earlier; kicks, snaps, returns, etc. Players warm up by position (dynamic warm up followed by whatever they normally do pre-practice; form tackle or ball drills or o line fits and drive block, etc). A very short pursuit drill with int returns and team take off on offense ( these go on simultaneously). We finish with a couple of PATs or FGs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 17:48:26 GMT -6
During the second half of the preliminary game we do a walk through with the varsity. No pads. Mental review of game plan.
There are 20 minutes between games so we take the field right away. Stretch, form run, line and backs split for about five minutes and drill a little. We run plays on air for a few minutes. Kick some PAT and head to the sideline to get a drink. About 15 minutes warm up time and a few minutes before KO on the sideline.
Easy and we do the same thing if there is no preliminary game.
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Post by bjones on Nov 26, 2011 19:13:42 GMT -6
Do any of you guys have meetings during pregame (off, def, sp. teams)? We also have about a ten minute "visualization period" before taking the field for pregame (music of players choice, lights out, everyone still and quiet). We do all this and start at 6:00 for a 7:30 game. I hate it but it seems to keep us occupied and busy and gives us a routine.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 27, 2011 18:53:18 GMT -6
I like to go by "feel." Usually, a shorter pre-game is good. Sometimes you need a longer one, like if you've had a long bus ride. But usually, you want to get a good warmup and get primed to execute. Also, it depends on your depth, and whether you've got a lot of 2-way players.
As far as going back into the locker room before kickoff... in the past, we've done both. We'd try to get a feel for our team's psyche, and then decide whether we needed to go back in or not. Sometimes, we would stay out if we felt everyone was mentally-right and ready to go.
There was one time in particular, when we were facing a national-powerhouse, where our kids had a little bit of a "deer in the headlights" look. We felt that, having seen the opponent and been 'awed' a little... it would be best if we went back in, re-set ourselves mentally, refocused and then went back out. This would also be good if you're playing in a big stadium for the first time, or if you have a young team in a first-time playoff appearance.
Again, just try to get a feel for your team: How are they mentally...Are they ready to rock?
How's their poise? How's their rhythm, as far as physically repping the plays in pre-game?
Get a feel, and then go with your gut. (Also, ask your team and coaches. Do it during the week, to get their input on which they think is better, and also you can inquire during pre-gram.)
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Post by blb on Nov 27, 2011 19:21:23 GMT -6
Coaches start getting antsy Thursday (day before), can't stand waiting for Kick off so we think Pre-Game is a nuisance.
I believe players need Pre-Game to practice focus, break a little sweat, break their pads in, get used to game atmosphere - so long as you don't wear 'em out.
We have a 15 minute Specialty period - Punting, Kicking, Routes on air.
We then go back in, come out as Team ten minutes later.
We have a 5 minute Warm-Up (started doing "Dynamic" this year), approximately 5 minutes each of Individual Defense and Offense, then water break.
Then 1st Offense runs 10 plays "Thud" tempo (against a Defense if we have enough bodies), then 2s do like wise.
Then we Punt, kick a Field Goal, and go back in for about 10 minutes before I give 'em the old Knute Rockne and we go back out for the game.
Pre-Game (not including Specialties) takes about 25 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 20:34:30 GMT -6
May copy and past that to my notes, blb. I've always preferred a short pregame routine and like that set up, at least on paper!
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Post by mattyg2787 on Nov 27, 2011 20:54:08 GMT -6
As a current play, I think it's quality over quantity. Spending an hour on pregame is over the top. You can get away with 20 minutes plus specialty. Even the special stuff can usually get worked in. We do 5 minute dynamic warmup, break up into positions (lbs do read react, linemen footwork and some contact etc) then a couple of plays just to make sure everyone gets in the groove.
Biggest thing I've found important is getting your linemen doing some contact work. There's nothing worse then going on for the first snap and taking a series to get used to the level of contact. If your guys are already ready to take a hit they'll be more ready to dish some out
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 29, 2011 9:48:15 GMT -6
our pregame
qb center excahnge 5 min (qb and centers)
specialists 10 min
routes 10 min
Dynamic warm up 7 min
O indy 4 min
Dindy 4 min
8-10 offensive plays
4 defensive plays
1 punt
so the linemen and the slappys are out there for about 25 min...all else about 35 min
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Post by fantom on Nov 29, 2011 10:15:20 GMT -6
I hate long pregames. In college they used to kill us. We were worn out before the kickoff and I was determined that I'd never do that. When we scout we see some teams that are unbelievable. They run a full practice before a game. Not for me.
We send the specialists (kickers, snappers, returners, QBs, and receivers) out 20 minutes early. When the linemen come out we go through our dynamic warmup and static stretch. I hate the stretch. I think it's useless and bogs things down especially since the kids use it to beat their pads and chant and such. We talked about doing away with it this year but I haven't seen if they have. Then we go to offensive positions.
This is what the OL has done: 3 lead steps with their right foot, 3 with the left; a 10 yard takeoff with a right foot lead, one with the left; pass pro slide/punch to the right, then to the left; then they bump it up on their own while a couple of young coaches harangue them with more motivational bull$hit (the number of coaches who talk varies with the importance of the game. Then we get together and run plays from the left hash, middle, and right hash. That usually runs too long because that's when the HC talks to the officials and the OC doesn't want to cut it short.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 29, 2011 12:39:21 GMT -6
LOL ^^
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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 29, 2011 16:30:38 GMT -6
ok, having this debate with the assistants -- i have the PAT specialists go out 5 minutes early and do their form run warmup before they start. The rest of the team gets there while they are finishing up and the rest of the team do their form run warmup. Assistant wants everyone to do like Fantom and warm up run together but my question is why wouldn't you want the specialists to do their warmups before they kicked and ran pass routes... a little thing but...
and what to do you do with the team in the end zone or sideline for the fifteen minutes before the game. We are thinking of not going in because our home lockerroom is about 400 yards away (not too bad) but some of our away games the lockerroom is a couple of blocks from the field...
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