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Post by coachjmcs on Nov 23, 2011 20:47:39 GMT -6
I was reading a thread earlier that was talking about witnessing other coaches cross the line and too paraphrase he was talking about minor things like cussing and berating a kid or major things like tobacco use.
I will occasionally get a dip at practice or on gameday. I never thought of it being that big of a deal, anybody else here been made too feel uncomfortable or upset by another persons tobacco use. Just curious I always thought I might be doing something a little sketchy but never thought it was a major violation...... just curious.
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Post by downdownkick on Nov 23, 2011 21:54:55 GMT -6
Its a weird situation since a lot of schools have explicit tobacco bans on campus... but probably about 1/3 of the coaches I know like to dip. Seems like most programs have an unofficial "don't ask/don't tell" policy; just don't be obvious about it around the kids.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 23, 2011 22:22:27 GMT -6
I was reading a thread earlier that was talking about witnessing other coaches cross the line and too paraphrase he was talking about minor things like cussing and berating a kid or major things like tobacco use. I will occasionally get a dip at practice or on gameday. I never thought of it being that big of a deal, anybody else here been made too feel uncomfortable or upset by another persons tobacco use. Just curious I always thought I might be doing something a little sketchy but never thought it was a major violation...... just curious. Offended or uncomfortable with you using tobacco..no. If your school has a no tobacco policy then ---Offended, uncomfortable that you would be blatantly violating a policy and putting me (and other coaches/maybe even players) in the precarious position of either reporting you, or risk exposing myself to disciplinary action.... absolutely.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 23, 2011 22:34:58 GMT -6
The OC at the HS I coached at this year got fired by the principal/AD at the end of the season and at least one of the reasons why was because he ignored the school's no-tobacco campus rules on a more or less daily basis.
I personally think it's pretty gross, but I reserve judgement on most things of this nature because I don't think it's that big of a deal as a personal habit.
As a personal habit at school, at practice, in front of the kids, I think it sets a bad example... ESPECIALLY if the kids know that you aren't supposed to be dipping and do.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Nov 23, 2011 23:24:56 GMT -6
How would you feel if a coach lit up a cigarette during practice?
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Post by pvogel on Nov 23, 2011 23:55:42 GMT -6
the staff i work with now is the first staff ive seen that doesnt have at least one guy that dips on it.
Not saying its right or wrong but I just kinda accepted it as a standard thing. Never thought too much about it.
But I think if youre discreet about it its not the biggest deal.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 24, 2011 5:48:48 GMT -6
When I coached college ball, we all chewed. I don't know if I ever stepped on the field the last few years of my college gig without a dip in. But once I took a head high school job, I knew I had to quit. If there is a no tobacco rule then we as coaches need to model that for our student/athletes.
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 24, 2011 10:27:33 GMT -6
Is chew a Mason-Dixon thing? Because in Canada, you only chew if you're from Alberta, which likes to tell itself that it's a northern possession of Texas.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Nov 25, 2011 7:00:49 GMT -6
Is chew a Mason-Dixon thing? Because in Canada, you only chew if you're from Alberta, which likes to tell itself that it's a northern possession of Texas. No there are a lot of coaches that dip on Long Island, NY.
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Post by CoachDP on Nov 25, 2011 7:37:39 GMT -6
I always thought I might be doing something a little sketchy Then you already have your answer. --Dave
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Post by flingt on Nov 28, 2011 13:52:10 GMT -6
I quit dipping this year because of the hypocricy of me telling the players not to dip and then seeing me dip. I KNEW that did not set a good example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 14:02:38 GMT -6
Play by the rules, I do it, and have done it for years but when at a place that does not condone it I don't do it. Rules are rules...
Duece
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Post by coachfd on Nov 28, 2011 16:31:14 GMT -6
If your school has a no-tobacco policy on campus, then it's an issue. If your school doesn't, then it's still an issue. There is no difference, as far as setting an example goes, between dipping and smoking a cigarette.
I understand that many coaches dip; many drink as well. My rule has always been that coaches are free to do what they want on their own time (as long as it does not reflect poorly on the program). However, when they are on campus, at practice, at meetings, or in the school... then they have to set a positive example and abide by school rules. I think that's reasonable enough. If a person can't go 2 hours without using tobacco, then I think he may need some assistance regarding that. Otherwise, I think it is reasonable to make it an official rule.
I feel very strongly about this, because I was a part of a program where the coaches all dipped. It's something we often joke about, but when you catch a 15-year-old JV kid dipping, it's a sad thing and it really makes you think about how much you really are "helping" a kid if you set the example to say that that type of behavior is okay.
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Post by k on Nov 28, 2011 16:45:37 GMT -6
I haven't seen ANYONE do it in the last decade.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 18:39:56 GMT -6
I haven't seen ANYONE do it in the last decade. You must not live in the south... Duece
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Post by fantom on Nov 28, 2011 19:33:04 GMT -6
It amazes me that anybody answers questions like this one. If I chewed, cussed, yelled at kids, taught them to hold, filmed opponents practices, loafed at teaching, or did anything else wrong he!! if I'd post it here.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 28, 2011 19:40:06 GMT -6
It amazes me that anybody answers questions like this one. If I chewed, cussed, yelled at kids, taught them to hold, filmed opponents practices, loafed at teaching, or did anything else wrong he!! if I'd post it here. Coach--keep in mind that this thread started with someone stating that HE did indeed grab a dip sometimes, and was asking what other coaches thought of the situation.
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Post by fantom on Nov 28, 2011 19:45:56 GMT -6
It amazes me that anybody answers questions like this one. If I chewed, cussed, yelled at kids, taught them to hold, filmed opponents practices, loafed at teaching, or did anything else wrong he!! if I'd post it here. Coach--keep in mind that this thread started with someone stating that HE did indeed grab a dip sometimes, and was asking what other coaches thought of the situation. My point exactly.
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Post by bjones on Nov 28, 2011 19:51:57 GMT -6
What about if you catch a kid dipping? What about if it's in the fieldhouse? I'm from the south, backwoods town, pretty standard to dip socially (I don't). I don't think it's a battle worth fighting if I catch a kid dipping off school grounds, I turn the other way. It is a battle if I catch them on school grounds or in the fieldhouse. What's your guys' thoughts?
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Post by 33coach on Nov 28, 2011 21:20:07 GMT -6
I don't see a problem with tobacco use as long as you are over the age of 18. but never around the kids you coach. During football season nicotine gum works fine that's what I do. They don't need to know..
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 28, 2011 21:25:02 GMT -6
I don't see a problem with tobacco use as long as you are over the age of 18. but never around the kids you coach. During football season nicotine gum works fine that's what I do. They don't need to know.. Ok... but the question was how do coaches feel when OTHER coaches use tobacco during practice or games or what not... Like I said, if there is a policy against it, I am really Pi$$ed because it puts me in the position of having to either REPORT you.. OR be in the position to get disciplined myself.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 28, 2011 21:43:16 GMT -6
I don't see a problem with tobacco use as long as you are over the age of 18. but never around the kids you coach. During football season nicotine gum works fine that's what I do. They don't need to know.. Ok... but the question was how do coaches feel when OTHER coaches use tobacco during practice or games or what not... Like I said, if there is a policy against it, I am really Pi$$ed because it puts me in the position of having to either REPORT you.. OR be in the position to get disciplined myself. I misunderstood the question. I really don't care what another coach does. It is up to his school to set guidelines and expectations and discipline when needed...I just know how I'm going to and need to conduct myself.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 28, 2011 22:07:05 GMT -6
Ok... but the question was how do coaches feel when OTHER coaches use tobacco during practice or games or what not... Like I said, if there is a policy against it, I am really Pi$$ed because it puts me in the position of having to either REPORT you.. OR be in the position to get disciplined myself. I misunderstood the question. I really don't care what another coach does. It is up to his school to set guidelines and expectations and discipline when needed...I just know how I'm going to and need to conduct myself. But coach, if the school has a policy, another coach choose to break it..and you fail to report, you have just opened yourself up to disciplinary action. That is MY issue with it. Their actions are basically forcing my hand.
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Post by PSS on Nov 28, 2011 22:24:04 GMT -6
I guess some things are more accepted in some parts of the country than others.
Seriously, you would turn a fellow coach in for dipping/chewing? A person in which your livelihood depends?
Hopefully, there is some serious sarcasm going on in this thread. This seems so trivial compared to the many things that I have to deal with every day. Really, would I be offended by someone dipping / chewing? In 20 years of coaching I don't think I've been on a staff that didn't have at least 3 or 4 coaches that used tobacco.
Administrators never come into the coaches office, especially female administrators. The one's that do are former coaches and know the hours we put in. They turn a blind eye to those of us that are dipping in the coaches office.
Is it really worth tearing your staff apart?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 28, 2011 22:39:34 GMT -6
I guess some things are more accepted in some parts of the country than others. Seriously, you would turn a fellow coach in for dipping/chewing? A person in which your livelihood depends? Hopefully, there is some serious sarcasm going on in this thread. This seems so trivial compared to the many things that I have to deal with every day. Really, would I be offended by someone dipping / chewing? In 20 years of coaching I don't think I've been on a staff that didn't have at least 3 or 4 coaches that used tobacco. Administrators never come into the coaches office, especially female administrators. The one's that do are former coaches and know the hours we put in. They turn a blind eye to those of us that are dipping in the coaches office. Is it really worth tearing your staff apart? That "good ole boy" environment may exist in your parts of Texas..but it is not the accepted practice everywhere. To answer your first comment...would you really turn in a coach for dipping. I ask you this.. would you risk facing discipline YOURSELF, including just cause for termination, or suspension without pay (things that affect you and your family)? Because that is definitely a possibility in many places. YOu have NO leg to stand on in a just cause proceeding Hearing Officer "Is this your signature on the district tobacco policy" Coach "Yes" Hearing Officer " And you were aware that Coach x was using tobacco and failed to notify your supervisor" Coach "Yes" Hearing Officer "Thank you for your compliance in this matter. However, there is no place in this district for someone who is complicit in breaking policy."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 22:42:24 GMT -6
fantomIt's not illegal! It's not like they are doing cocaine or anything. My point is simple, if it's against the rules, then don't do it. If a kid chooses to do it, and you catch him breaking the rules, then punish him. If you catch a coach doing it, then reprimand them. If you get caught doing it, own up to it... Personally it's not worth me losing my job over. I enjoy it, a drink and nice cigar every now and then, just not on the s/l or around my players. Again, goes back to rules, if you want to break them, then you will suffer the consequences. Duece
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 30, 2011 10:44:38 GMT -6
hey not to change the topic of the thread to "great tobacco products for coaches" but along the lines of what someone else said about nicotine gum if you've got that bad mutha*** nicotine monkey on your back try using a product called "snus" they are selling it in gas stations all over the place, it's still tobacco, but you just throw it in your lip, requires no spitting and the pouch is too small to be visible..you can even get away with it in the classroom...not me personally...but this guy I know does that
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Post by coachcb on Nov 30, 2011 12:23:42 GMT -6
It is against the rules. Our school has a policy and has fired some custodians for smoking on school property. But they don't seem to say anything or particularly care about dipping. But then again, I am kind of in a time vortex here, in this town if the coaching staff isn't at BW3's a few times a month drinking together my AD gets calls asking if we are still the coaches or complaints that we think we are better than everyone else. (It is certifiably unique here) It's the same way here, coach. Tobacco is a friggin food group for these kids. I used to dip in front of the kids at practices and in games but we've had a lot of them get caught doing so on school grounds. So, I don't do it in front of them or at school anymore.
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Post by pvogel on Nov 30, 2011 21:40:12 GMT -6
heres one- what would you do if a D1 coach comes to your practice and is dipping?
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Post by mattyg2787 on Dec 1, 2011 4:05:47 GMT -6
heres one- what would you do if a D1 coach comes to your practice and is dipping? Depends on your school policy. Simple as that.
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