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Post by airraider on Nov 19, 2011 9:38:05 GMT -6
How do you feel about this article? Is this irresponsible reporting? I coached for this guy for 3 years and I did leave the stadium last night thinking WOW... he went for 2 on a fake extra point instead of the tie and going to a 3rd OT. But how can this possibly be good for this guy's program when the SR leader of his team calls him out in the paper? saxo.highschoolsports.net/article/20111119/SPORTS0101/111190348/Parkway-falls-double-overtime?shreveport&Avis=D9"I just wanted to tie it up again and keep playing the game; we had momentum;" Copeland said. "We just got greedy and it showed. You can't be greedy in playoff games |
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Post by flexoption91 on Nov 19, 2011 9:59:13 GMT -6
The kid would be getting a phone call that morning.
This is the problem with these kids seeing all these pro athletes throw their teammates and coaches under the bus, they think it is ok and acceptable.
This is a prime example of why I hate the kids of losing teams getting interviewed right after a loss.
What happens if he goes for two and gets it? Coach is a hero and the kid is talking about gutsy and great a call it was.
Stuff like this gets my blood boiling, play the game kid and shut your mouth.
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Post by airraider on Nov 19, 2011 10:04:38 GMT -6
The kid would be getting a phone call that morning. This is the problem with these kids seeing all these pro athletes throw their teammates and coaches under the bus, they think it is ok and acceptable. This is a prime example of why I hate the kids of losing teams getting interviewed right after a loss. What happens if he goes for two and gets it? Coach is a hero and the kid is talking about gutsy and great a call it was. Stuff like this gets my blood boiling, play the game kid and shut your mouth. I feel so bad for my buddy... he just got there this year... last year this school's coach jetted on them after 1 year... they went 9-1 and lost in the 2nd round as well... ALL of the players loved this guy for some reason and my buddy came into a situation where the players wanted their old coach. He has had trouble with that QB all year... the kid missed practice one day to go to a baseball thing... so he was suspended for a half that week.. and they ended up losing the game. Hopefully he can get rid of these seniors and get the young kids to buy in. He came to us back in 03 after an 0-10 season... 3 years later we are 13-0 playing the eventual state champs in the semis... |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 19, 2011 11:12:38 GMT -6
Yeah, that's pretty bad, both from the kid and the reporter. I would decline every interview from that reporter in the future and I would call and let the person know that.
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 19, 2011 11:14:53 GMT -6
The team belongs to the kids, not the coach. They want to get on the field, play, and win, and they are entitled to an opinion.
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Post by fantom on Nov 19, 2011 11:22:54 GMT -6
The team belongs to the kids, not the coach. They want to get on the field, play, and win, and they are entitled to an opinion. Kids are emotional and spontaneous. They can say foolish things when things go wrong. A good reporter knows that kids sometimes need to be protected from themselves. If the kid can't filter himself a guy who's reporting a HS game should know that he might need to do some filtering. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2011 11:42:09 GMT -6
I don't really see anything wrong with the quote from the kids perspective. Not a resounding show of support, but he spoke his mind. Nothing wrong with that.
Keep in mind, we weren't present for the interview. Not sure what was said, this MIGHT have been "the filtered" version. Could easily have been much less diplomatic.
HOWEVER, reading the whole article, there is definitely a negative slant towards the decision, evidenced by bringing up other 4th down choices. I definitely got a "stupid coach, love the kids" vibe from the reporter in this article, which seems to mirror what airraider mentioned regarding the welcoming of this new coach to the team.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 19, 2011 11:48:54 GMT -6
Yeah, what if this was the filtered version? That is a good point.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 19, 2011 11:57:26 GMT -6
One of the things that we cover, prior to the season starting, is "media etiquette." We basically teach a lesson on how to act, what to say, how to deflect praise to others; what NOT to do or say... we discuss it with our players, and our staff as well. We also lay out guidelines for what will not be tolerated. Any issues will result in consequences.
We want to teach our kids how to properly conduct themselves, first and foremost.
But also, how to avoid saying things that may become a distraction or a dividing-point.
We also want to make sure they don't give opponents any added motivation.
Also, we don't let anyone speak with media until we meet as a team (either on the field or in the locker room) first, and give everyone enough time to calm-down from the moment.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 19, 2011 12:40:59 GMT -6
The kid is a disappointed senior who just played his last high school football game ever. He is not completely out of line...you just wish he wouldn't go that route.
The reporter is the idiot. I always go for two on the road!
Good luck to the Coach!
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Post by airraider on Nov 19, 2011 13:22:46 GMT -6
The kid is a disappointed senior who just played his last high school football game ever. He is not completely out of line...you just wish he wouldn't go that route. The reporter is the idiot. I always go for two on the road! Good luck to the Coach! Yea that is really my biggest problem... the reporter. Kids will be kids, but why allow an opportunity for a kid to throw his coach under the bus? Also wonder if this kid would have been so loose lipped if this was not his last game. |
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Post by airraider on Nov 19, 2011 13:25:19 GMT -6
The team belongs to the kids, not the coach. They want to get on the field, play, and win, and they are entitled to an opinion. You are right, everyone is entitled to that... but at some point you have to learn when and when not to voice it. This kid is a college caliber athlete... not saying it would play a part, but what if some college was on the fence on this kid and saw that as a "me" type mentality? I always tell my kids that what you do in the name of the program and the school is front and center... those are the things that "we" will be known for. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 19, 2011 13:54:08 GMT -6
The team belongs to the kids, not the coach. They want to get on the field, play, and win, and they are entitled to an opinion. You are right, everyone is entitled to that... but at some point you have to learn when and when not to voice it. This kid is a college caliber athlete... not saying it would play a part, but what if some college was on the fence on this kid and saw that as a "me" type mentality? . Then he'll go to a different college if he's really any good. This is one of those things where when I first saw it it was annoying but when you look at it again it's not that big of a deal. You're close to the situation so you see a "Me" attitude. Most neutral observers would just see a disappointed kid. |
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Post by airraider on Nov 19, 2011 14:04:57 GMT -6
You are right, everyone is entitled to that... but at some point you have to learn when and when not to voice it. This kid is a college caliber athlete... not saying it would play a part, but what if some college was on the fence on this kid and saw that as a "me" type mentality? . Then he'll go to a different college if he's really any good. This is one of those things where when I first saw it it was annoying but when you look at it again it's not that big of a deal. You're close to the situation so you see a "Me" attitude. Most neutral observers would just see a disappointed kid. That is a good point... I am familiar with all the behind the scene problems that has gone on with the situation over the season with the QB. |
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 19, 2011 14:24:57 GMT -6
I agree a good HS reporter filters that one out. Putting that opinion to his article serves no good purpose.
If that happened to me I would be calling the kid, parents, and administration in for a meeting. There would be consequences for his actions.
I have been "called out" by a player. Even though he knew he made a mistake and was sorry for it, he also had to learn that once you open your mouth you cannot take back what was said. You can apologize and make ammends but the damage has been done.
What is the slant and bias of the writer too?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2011 15:23:32 GMT -6
If that happened to me I would be calling the kid, parents, and administration in for a meeting. There would be consequences for his actions. Since the kid is a senior, what type of consequences do you think "would happen". Also coach, just curious (since it was hypothetical)...if you called this meeting what would you do if Admin said "Coach, I thought it was a bad move too" |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 19, 2011 15:38:52 GMT -6
The kid is a disappointed senior who just played his last high school football game ever. He is not completely out of line...you just wish he wouldn't go that route. The reporter is the idiot. I always go for two on the road! Good luck to the Coach! Yea that is really my biggest problem... the reporter. Kids will be kids, but why allow an opportunity for a kid to throw his coach under the bus? Also wonder if this kid would have been so loose lipped if this was not his last game. Like someone said before if the coach would have made it everyone would say he is a genius the kid would probably be singing his praises. The more I think about it the more I think this reporter should just shut up. We had a game this year where we tied it up 14-14 with 54 second to go. We were going to go for two but when our kids took the field after the timeout one of our linemen didn't go onto the field thinking that our PAT team would run the offensive play that we called because both teams were in the huddle...i do not know what he was thinking. WHen he was missing...i called timeout and just kicked it. We tied. The other team scored with 20 seconds left. After the game I said to the paper "This loss was a result of my coaching. I did not have our team prepared to play. We gave up two scores in the first two drives and held them again until they scored with 20 seconds to go. I give the other team credit and I am proud of our kids." Looking back I wish I would have went for 2 (we were on the road)...My kid's quote in the paper was "we just started a little slow. Our coaches put us in a position to win and we gave up a two big plays. One to end the game. We will have to learn from this and get better." I am sure the reporter could have said that we should have done a lot of things differently but he didn't. He is a good reporter and cares about local high school sports so he highlighted the positives. |
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Post by coachfd on Nov 19, 2011 15:49:51 GMT -6
"Coaches coach. Players play. Cheerleaders cheer.
That's the way it is... it ain't always fair."
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Post by coachcb on Nov 19, 2011 16:05:16 GMT -6
Well, not much you can do officially, other than laying out media response guidelines to the kids. But, that boy would be getting a good ol' fashion butt chewing from the coaching staff on Monday. I'd let him know that the coaching staff would have been proud of him if he brought it directly to them. But running his mouth to the media isnt kosher.
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Post by fantom on Nov 19, 2011 16:17:04 GMT -6
Well, not much you can do officially, other than laying out media response guidelines to the kids. But, that boy would be getting a good ol' fashion butt chewing from the coaching staff on Monday. I'd let him know that the coaching staff would have been proud of him if he brought it directly to them. But running his mouth to the media isnt kosher. Again, how much butt can you chew given that he's a senior? And what purpose would it serve? |
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Post by k on Nov 19, 2011 16:19:19 GMT -6
Well first off the only players that talk to the media are the ones that I put in front of the media. This sounds like a kid I wouldn't put in front of the media...
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Post by coachcb on Nov 19, 2011 17:54:25 GMT -6
Well, not much you can do officially, other than laying out media response guidelines to the kids. But, that boy would be getting a good ol' fashion butt chewing from the coaching staff on Monday. I'd let him know that the coaching staff would have been proud of him if he brought it directly to them. But running his mouth to the media isnt kosher. Again, how much butt can you chew given that he's a senior? And what purpose would it serve? I guess "butt chewing" may be the wrong phrase. I think it would be good to talk to the kid and explain that his opinion was valid but hr could have had a positive impact by expressing it to the coaches. I guess you'd hope that it would be a learning experience for the kid. But, I had a professional experience recently that sort of mirrors this situation. I made a poor choice in an email exchange between collegues that resulted in problems. I voiced an opinion that was valid and my principal backed it up, but the manner in which I handled it turned into an argument between a peer and myself. I made things more "public" than they needed to be. |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 19, 2011 18:24:10 GMT -6
I think you need to get the caveman from the Gieco commercials to talk to him. "Your words are hurtful Brian."
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Post by champ93 on Nov 20, 2011 8:47:30 GMT -6
Been in a very similar situation 4 years ago, the only difference was mine happened week 5. I sat the kid the next game for a half and revoked his captainship. In hindsight, I should have booted him from the team.
I called the local sports editor about his reporter needing to use better discretion in the future and I would only speak to the editor. He agreed and apologized for not editing his reporter's words.
A number of staff and administration casually spoke to this young man about his words in the paper without my prompting. It was good reinforcement. He looked like a beat puppy for a week or 2.
I'd still pull this kid in and let him know his words were out of line. Even though he was leaving the program, the program continues on without him. His words tarnished his time there and may possibly come back to bite him in his future.
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Post by mitch on Nov 21, 2011 9:25:47 GMT -6
With the kid- just ignore it and go on. No sense in starting more fires.
With the reporter- address it in a non-threatening way. If he has a clue, he'll get the message.
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Post by macdiiddy on Nov 21, 2011 10:24:16 GMT -6
It is definitely something that should be ignored. Kids are emotional and do not process everything at times. We had a kid interviewed after a playoff game that repeated just about everything we told the kids about the team (however he lacked the ability to realize that those are not things you say outside of the program). He called their all-state RB good not great, they havent played anyone, their conference is very weak etc. The kid got ripped apart by local fans on the message boards.
He is a VERY respectable, good kid, and was very emotional after a tough playoff game. He wishes he could take it back.
The blame needs to also be pointed also at the reporter. There needs to be more insight by him. We decided as a staff that anytime someone is being interviewed a coach must be present.
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Post by fantom on Nov 21, 2011 10:38:52 GMT -6
It is definitely something that should be ignored. Kids are emotional and do not process everything at times. We had a kid interviewed after a playoff game that repeated just about everything we told the kids about the team (however he lacked the ability to realize that those are not things you say outside of the program). He called their all-state RB good not great, they havent played anyone, their conference is very weak etc. The kid got ripped apart by local fans on the message boards. He is a VERY respectable, good kid, and was very emotional after a tough playoff game. He wishes he could take it back. The blame needs to also be pointed also at the reporter. There needs to be more insight by him. We decided as a staff that anytime someone is being interviewed a coach must be present. We had something similar happen after a playoff game. A reporter from the visiting team's paper got ahold of one of our guys and asked him about preparing for the team we'd just beaten. The kid said, "It was easy. They were just like ____." (then he named a team we'd beaten handily earlier in the year). In the paper it came off like he was saying that the team we'd just beaten weren't very good, no better than a mediocre team in our league. What he really meant was, as we'd told them, that SCEMATICALLY they were the same as the team that we'd played earler. The game plan wasn't different than the one we'd used earlier because it was the same offense. That didn't mean that we'd expected an easy game and the kid understood that. It didn't come out that way in the paper, though. |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 21, 2011 11:10:32 GMT -6
This is nothing more then a player wanting to have someone to blame, an excuse for losing that does not fall on his shoulders. It's an attitude that'll bite him in the butt time and time again in the real world and should be addressed in a manner that might allow him the opportunity to learn from it. It should not be passed off as his just being an emtional kid so its ok cause that kid becomes an emotional adult in adverse circumstances and gets fired or arrested or labeled to the extent he'd be passed over for promotions etc. You do this kid a disservice by ignoring it.
As to how to handle it with the newsparer and reporter I'd say that depends on how things have gone in the past with that reporter or newspaper.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 21, 2011 11:39:46 GMT -6
This is nothing more then a player wanting to have someone to blame, an excuse for losing that does not fall on his shoulders. It's an attitude that'll bite him in the butt time and time again in the real world and should be addressed in a manner that might allow him the opportunity to learn from it. It should not be passed of as his just being an emtional kid so its ok cause that kid becomes an emotional adult in adverse circumstances and gets fired or arrested or labeled to the extent he'd be passed over for promotions etc. You do this kid a disservice by ignoring it. Got to disagree here. The kid said what he felt. He probably said what MOST people felt. He said what AIRRAIDER felt... and air was simply an observer. The kid played hard, the kid was obviously a good player, and was unhappy that the coach chose to take the ball out of his hands and try something "cute". In the WINNING teams local paper, the WINNING coach was quoted as saying "we weren't surprised by this at all. We left our defense on the field" |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 21, 2011 13:08:30 GMT -6
LOL, "most people" had the benefit of hindsight which makes us all look pretty good. You don't win anything by being cute you win by executing- every call is a good call if they are correctly executed and even fakes punts, PATs or onside kicks must be executed and there is a corrosponding set of fundamentals that the other team either does not correctly execute or they are "out executed" by their opponent if any of the above are successful. Does not every field goal or PAT defense practice recognizing or adjusting to a fake? Do they not assign players specifically to a potential fake attempt? LOL, the winning coach stated the obvious and in doing so made himself look like a savant- I'd say any comment he made was moot as to how appropriate the players response to the reporter was.
Throwing folks under the bus and then excusing it away as an emotional moment or you were just stating what every one else was thinking (my how brave you are) is just an excuse for making a bad decision.
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