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Post by coachmcclure on Nov 11, 2011 16:23:22 GMT -6
To what extent are you suppose to be involved in grades as a coach. What do you do with players who don't seem to care about their grades but still want to play? Is it you suppose to be the motivator or is it the student job to pass for the privilege to play? Any thoughts?
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Post by bluedevil4 on Nov 11, 2011 17:27:40 GMT -6
To what extent are you suppose to be involved in grades as a coach. What do you do with players who don't seem to care about their grades but still want to play? Is it you suppose to be the motivator or is it the student job to pass for the privilege to play? Any thoughts? Academics are higher than football. Get involved as you need to be to ensure everyone is eligible and doing well in school. Our freshmen team had a 45 minutes-1 hour study hall every day before practice and they didn't have a singe eligibility issue. If they don't care about grades but want to play...that's easy. Tell them if their grades aren't good, they won't play. Football is a privilege, and it must be earned. It is the students job to do their job. The coaches role is support when the student WANTS it. |
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Post by hamerhead on Nov 11, 2011 19:36:17 GMT -6
Referee says at every coin toss "this field is an extension of the classroom." We adhere to the same belief. If a student has an F in any class after week 3, they don't play, regardless of who they are. 7th grade through varsity, same policy. I'm not the head coach, but I'm in 100% agreement with it.
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Post by coachmcclure on Nov 11, 2011 21:05:21 GMT -6
Thank yall for the post. The coaches on staff are/were working hard in extra study hall, but they have online classes with time in the day set apart for them to work on it but they won't do the assignments. It's frustrating.
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tackle
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Post by tackle on Nov 12, 2011 0:55:23 GMT -6
You need to sit them to drive the point home. There can be no wavering from this punishment. It goes along way with school staff, principal, other players...etc. They see that you are serious about academics.
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Post by tvt50 on Nov 12, 2011 4:10:12 GMT -6
I know of one team who used to sit their star players out the first half and make them sit in the locker room with a jv coach and study in full gear. They would bring in classroom desks and everything. They would usually do this when they were playing the little sisters of the poor though. lol
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Post by tvt50 on Nov 12, 2011 4:12:30 GMT -6
Attitude now from the players I have been around and watched on tv. their are only a few select players on this planet who some good coaches would be willing to put up with an attitude from. And these guys are few and far between. TO, Moss, Ochocinco and these guys play WR and we see what has happened to them. Oh Haynesworth too.
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Post by tvt50 on Nov 12, 2011 4:22:24 GMT -6
So the field is an extention of the classroom? So thats the reason one of my kids got a flag thrown on him for saying MF. He told me coach i didnt know I couldnt cuss on the field lol. man these kids.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 14, 2011 10:42:09 GMT -6
Academics are 1/2 of what defines high school athletics...
STUDENT-ATHLETE
Notice the STUDENT part came first- as dcohio stated football will end for everyone...what will you have at the foundation of it all? Morals, values, experiences, and education. Football is just a medium to teach those things. That's why I love the game. It's practice for the real world...chit's not always gonna go your way, hard work pays off [sometimes], the bad guys are allowed to make plays once in a while, etc...
"To what extent are you involved in academics?"
Full involvement...nothing less. I HOUND kids about grades constantly. It the ONE thing I have in common with every kid in our program 9-12.
We fully expect kids to do their work during the school day and be at practice on time. It doesn't take a genius to do it...just someone who works hard all day long. You are not allowed to miss practice for school work. If you can't do both then you can't play football. The whole team will not suffer from their laziness.
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Post by jickes on Nov 14, 2011 12:26:55 GMT -6
To me part of coaching is teaching the ability to compete. This goes for the football field as well as the class rooms. Emphasize competing every day, winning every day, not only every drill, but every paper, homework assignment and test.
And if you don't have the discipline to do your assignments for your classes, why should a coach believe you'll have the discipline to execute your assignments on the field.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 14, 2011 14:30:10 GMT -6
And if you don't have the discipline to do your assignments for your classes, why should a coach believe you'll have the discipline to execute your assignments on the field. EXACTLY |
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Post by reevekyle on Nov 14, 2011 19:39:13 GMT -6
I've heard a lot of coaches mention that their team has some sort of team study hall setup. We have a mandatory half hour study table for guys who are currently receiving a D- or an F. Guys simply don't come (problem in its own) which is basically the state of our program right now.
What are other programs doing for their study hall or study table sessions? Trying to find a new fit for us.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 14, 2011 21:07:56 GMT -6
To what extent are you suppose to be involved in grades as a coach. What do you do with players who don't seem to care about their grades but still want to play? They don't play per school policy. Don't all schools have that now?!? No pass No play. Maybe I misunderstood what you were going at but we are all over kids if their grades go down. We have a mid-term check and that will get you 1-2 weeks off, if grades aren't up after that well there is always next year. So we are huge into grades. |
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Post by coachmcclure on Nov 14, 2011 22:38:22 GMT -6
Basically we have a junior class that have no real motivation and the parents are really not much help either. the juniors make up most of the high school and withthe players failing now there is no team. what do you do when this happens.
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Post by newt21 on Nov 21, 2011 15:30:40 GMT -6
I agree 100% with everybody here, and my kids know it too. If they are failing a single class when progress reports come out, they have 5th quarter EVERY DAY until they are passing all classes. If they are failing a single class by the time report cards come out, they don't play. We had a rivalry game this year where we had 11 players suspended, 6 of which were starters (and some very good ones also). We ended up winning the game, which kind of showed the guys who were suspended that we can win without them. It was kind of an "uh oh" moment for them.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 22, 2011 14:59:52 GMT -6
Just as a general thing: we praise grades as much as we can. Every time a student gets an A on a test, a quiz, a paper, exam, or course... we acknowledge it in front of the team and give him an applause, etc. The more you praise positive things, the more you'll get from them.
Also, we setup a criteria for something we call our "Champions Club."
It inolves going to class (on-time), participating in class, turning in all work on-time, maintaining a C+ or above in all classes, and being a "positive member of the school community." We also have off-field and weightroom criteria.
Each week, we determine who made the Champions Club for the week. There's a free dinner (Hometown Buffet, etc.) for the Champions. The first time everyone makes it, they get a t-shirt also.
It's a way to enourage kids to do the things that will make them successful in the classroom,
and on the field. It's been a really positive thing for us so far.
Another logistical thing that's helpful, is trying to work with faculty to setup times that students can meet with them, if they need extra help. For example, during lunch or before school. If you can get on the same page with some of your students' teachers, and arrange a specific time once per week for review/extra help, that's a big thing.
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mcrsa75
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Post by mcrsa75 on Nov 22, 2011 19:53:43 GMT -6
I like your idea of the "champions" club. I do believe that positive reinforcement of correct behavior is more effective than going the negative route (extra laps, lost playing time, etc...). Can you send more info on the program?
MCRSA75
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Post by raiderx on Nov 22, 2011 23:00:43 GMT -6
We break up our football kids by position. Their position coach is responsible for pulling grades weekly and talking to the kids about failures and borderline grades. We stay on them thru the season and thru offseason. If they are failing they have mandatory tutoring with their classroom teacher after school and tutoring with a coach on staff until the grades come up to an acceptable level. This coupled with some moticational conditioning help keep our kids eligible. Over the past 3 seasons we have only lost 2 kids each football season to grades.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 22, 2011 23:27:13 GMT -6
MCRSA75, here you go.
Attached is a 3-page overview of The Champions Club program.
We also have thought of progressing to a "partner-champions club" in the late spring: instead of each person trying to meet the criteria, we would pair them up each week, and they BOTH would have to meet the criteria. If you can pair them up based on grade-level and kids who are in the same classes, it forces them to hold themselves--and each other--accountable.
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