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Post by coachbmore on Nov 7, 2011 5:07:49 GMT -6
We play in a league with no obls (older but lighters) Which i like it as apposed to other leagues. Now i understand the logic to get some of the smaller kids playing with kids their size but you can have some real monsters. Idk the actual limit on how many a team can have but 5 kids is enough to change the course of the game. What is your take on it. Also in our league we have to use maryland state ids for kids. not rec ids. These ids are obtained via the dmv which i also like. Rec ids can be lied on and you can take myself back at 19 n just say im 15 n can lay. What is your take on ids also?
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Post by bobgoodman on Nov 7, 2011 11:34:38 GMT -6
We play in a league with no obls (older but lighters) Which i like it as apposed to other leagues. Now i understand the logic to get some of the smaller kids playing with kids their size but you can have some real monsters. Idk the actual limit on how many a team can have but 5 kids is enough to change the course of the game. What is your take on it. Do you still have age + weight classes? Or only age, or only weight classes? Our organiz'n, as you can see at www.eteamz.com/bronxwarriorsfootball/divisions, has age + wt. classes, and has older-lighters only in the Juniors. One bad thing about age + wt. is that some heavy kids will never get a chance to play because they're not mature enough to play up in age, and by the time they get to HS they won't be good enough. Our team has several "younger-heavier" kids, which seems to be working out well enough for them & us, but who knows how many we miss who just aren't athletic enough to fit that mold? I think the club has discretion over who they'll even allow to play up in age; the ages shown aren't strict minimums, but they may refuse registr'n for those younger than the division they weigh in at. However, they also have discretion the other way as per weight -- if a player is subject to the draft, occasionally they'll allow one in who's over weight for that class. If there are enough kids in an area, they ideal thing would be to have a lightweight league and an unlimited weight league. There are, or used to be, lightweight college (and maybe HS) football clubs existing alongside the unlimited weight school teams. When I was with the NBYSA in 2007 they had both AYF age-weight classed teams and 12U, 14U, and 18U unlimited weight teams, but the only age overlap was between the unlimited 12Us and the Pee Wees. Heavier kids who weren't good enough for the 12Us were out of luck, and there were weigh-ins every game rather than only at registr'n. We use birth certificates, which means we've got to take their word for it that that's really theirs; fortunately our players get on the teams by being drafted after tryouts (or random assignment for late registrants), so there's not much incentive to fake someone's age. |
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Post by coachdoug on Nov 7, 2011 12:45:47 GMT -6
We play in a league with no obls (older but lighters) Which i like it as apposed to other leagues. Now i understand the logic to get some of the smaller kids playing with kids their size but you can have some real monsters. Idk the actual limit on how many a team can have but 5 kids is enough to change the course of the game. What is your take on it. Also in our league we have to use maryland state ids for kids. not rec ids. These ids are obtained via the dmv which i also like. Rec ids can be lied on and you can take myself back at 19 n just say im 15 n can lay. What is your take on ids also? I hate older/lighters (generally abbreviated here as O/Ls), but I am currently coaching in a Pop Warner league so I'm stuck with it for the time being. In my old league up in L.A. (which was AYF) we got so sick of the O/L crap that we eliminated it for a number of years (most of the 2000s) even though it hurt us in regional competitions against other AYF leagues. It was so much better without them. The O/L rule generally gets abused wherever it's in place and it really doesn't provide what it's designed for. As an example, one team the year before we got rid of the O/L rule had 20 O/Ls on a team of 26 players. That's just ridiculous. Regarding IDs, our league, and most leagues of which I am aware require an original birth cert as well as a current report card. My old league in L.A. also required proof of residence (utility bills and such), and it had to match up with the school on the report card or there had to be a very good explanation. Of couse, all those documents can be forged, so the L.A. league mandated severe penalties for anyone caught cheating with illegal players (auto lifetime ban for the head coach and anyone else found to be involved in the fraud and auto 1 yr suspension for the program president) and then left it up to the programs to self-police. That system actually worked pretty darn well. In Tucson (where I was in 2010) there was rampant cheating (I'm not so sure about ages, but territory boundaries were pretty much ignored). Here in San Diego, I'm not sure, but I get the impression that there is a fair amount of shenanigans going on as well. I kind of like the idea of using state issued IDs, but I'm not sure how that works logistically as we keep all the team's IDs on a ring that must be presented, unaltered, at each pregame check/weigh in. |
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Post by coachbmore on Nov 7, 2011 17:37:41 GMT -6
We play in a league with no obls (older but lighters) Which i like it as apposed to other leagues. Now i understand the logic to get some of the smaller kids playing with kids their size but you can have some real monsters. Idk the actual limit on how many a team can have but 5 kids is enough to change the course of the game. What is your take on it. Also in our league we have to use maryland state ids for kids. not rec ids. These ids are obtained via the dmv which i also like. Rec ids can be lied on and you can take myself back at 19 n just say im 15 n can lay. What is your take on ids also? I hate older/lighters (generally abbreviated here as O/Ls), but I am currently coaching in a Pop Warner league so I'm stuck with it for the time being. In my old league up in L.A. (which was AYF) we got so sick of the O/L crap that we eliminated it for a number of years (most of the 2000s) even though it hurt us in regional competitions against other AYF leagues. It was so much better without them. The O/L rule generally gets abused wherever it's in place and it really doesn't provide what it's designed for. As an example, one team the year before we got rid of the O/L rule had 20 O/Ls on a team of 26 players. That's just ridiculous. Regarding IDs, our league, and most leagues of which I am aware require an original birth cert as well as a current report card. My old league in L.A. also required proof of residence (utility bills and such), and it had to match up with the school on the report card or there had to be a very good explanation. Of couse, all those documents can be forged, so the L.A. league mandated severe penalties for anyone caught cheating with illegal players (auto lifetime ban for the head coach and anyone else found to be involved in the fraud and auto 1 yr suspension for the program president) and then left it up to the programs to self-police. That system actually worked pretty darn well. In Tucson (where I was in 2010) there was rampant cheating (I'm not so sure about ages, but territory boundaries were pretty much ignored). Here in San Diego, I'm not sure, but I get the impression that there is a fair amount of shenanigans going on as well. I kind of like the idea of using state issued IDs, but I'm not sure how that works logistically as we keep all the team's IDs on a ring that must be presented, unaltered, at each pregame check/weigh in. Well the way it works is we keep the id's until the end of the season and the team mom if theres one holds onto it until we get equipment back. and since all youth teams start at age 5 in the state of md you have to be 5 to get your id. The thing with rec ids is you can get a birth certificate and report card from anywhere. and just say you are a student. for ex. if i was a few pounds lighter i could get my cousins birth cert n id n play for a 11-14 or 15unlimited age group. but maryland ids require the childs birth cert. social. and parents birth and social n they check it |
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Post by jrk5150 on Nov 8, 2011 15:52:09 GMT -6
We're a Pop Warner program, so we have O/L's. Our org is debating getting rid of O/L's and just playing kids in their age groups. It would severely hurt our competitiveness in the conference, but the O/L rule is actually jeopardizing the existence of our top age group. Our Conference has an unlimited weight Midget league, which we play in, and that does help us get some kids. But most of our skill kids that are in 8th grade play on the Jr. Midget team as O/L's. So our Midget team is usually all the big kids, and maybe 2 or 3 larger skill kids. The offense is usually okay, but the D sucks - there aren't enough DB's. The skill kids the Midget team would use are in 9th grade and playing freshman ball.
So we're talking about getting rid of them to save the midget team. We usually have 2-3 teams make the playoffs; O/L's, I'm not sure any of our teams would make it.
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