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Post by falcon44 on Nov 5, 2011 14:01:54 GMT -6
I just completed my first season at a school that won only 14 games in ten years.The last staff only won 3 in 4 years. We finished 3-7 after getting the job in July. The biggest PROBLEM has been a mother and father who sit in the front and scream negatively at The Coaches ,calling out last names ,questioning everything..using foul language,telling our female trainer to go ahead turn around..yeah im talking to you..calling out kids that make mistakes but if theyre son has one ..its ok.They have gone so far as texting me after the game.My school is an inner city school that has come a long way in areas of Academics ,Athletics and behavior but this is a disgrace.I might add my Booster President who does alot for the program stood there degrading everyone with these 2 because his son doesnt get much playing time even tho he has been given every chance. Please Help!
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Post by bluedevil4 on Nov 5, 2011 14:22:24 GMT -6
1. Don't ever give out phone #.
2. You will always have those parents. They aren't going anywhere. Have a pre-season mandatory meeting with all parents and lay down the plan for the program. If they have problems with it, that's their problem now.
3. Don't let complaining parents be a problem. If they are upset that they're kid isn't playing, you can always invite them to practice and see why. Or, you can also walk up to them and ask "hey, the other team is running a slanting 50 defense and is blowing up our trap series. You seem like you know what you're doing. Can you go fix it please?"
4. If they are getting to the point where it's really effecting the players and program on game-nights, or actually ruining the game for everyone else (the other fans/parents) it's time to see the AD or Supes about removing those parents. If they are on the parents side however, it may be time to get out of dodge.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 5, 2011 14:23:14 GMT -6
I would try having a personal conversation with each individual, stressing the importance of setting a good example--one of sportsmanship and class.
Also, a lot of schools have a "Fans Code of Conduct" that is formally written out and posted up around the stadium, basketball gymnasium, etc. The PA announcer usually references (or reads) it prior to the start of each game. If your school doesn't have something like that, I would look at putting one together. Then, you can make as part of it, the warning that "People who do not show proper respect for the game, the teams, the fans, or the school can be removed at the administration's / security's discretion."
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Post by falcon44 on Nov 5, 2011 14:47:07 GMT -6
Thanks Guys,
I have tried to speak to the mother about being positive and supportive.She agrees,than its back to another game and here we go again.I plan on having a parent meeting before next season .Do you have this before the mandatory season begins.Early summer? I also like the code of conduct by the PA Announcer. I really am to the point of stopping the game and asking them to be removed
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Post by bluedevil4 on Nov 5, 2011 15:05:21 GMT -6
It is mandatory to have a mandatory parent meeting before the season, otherwise you will have all kinds of unnecessary issues going on.
Don't stop the game. It just plays into them getting the attention/message they're trying to spread. Just ask the AD at halftime, or have someone working the sidelines go get the AD. If you stop the game, the parents win.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 5, 2011 15:40:28 GMT -6
We have a "Fanhood 101" seminar that we do for our students during our year's first pep-rally. You can also do something similar with parents during a pre-season parent meeting.
We also have a "Code of Conduct" sign that we post and preach, and also make the idea of "RESPECT" a big part of everything we do. One thing that might be a good idea for a parent meeting, would be to get some footage of obnoxious parents (get it off YouTube, not from your own sidelines)... show some clips of parents acting foolishly or saying dumb things, and talk about how un-classy it is. Ask them to think about how poorly that the behavior reflects upon the school, the team, the person themselves, and also their child/children playing in the game. Get parents thinking about whether or not they want to act like that... in other words, make them think about not wanting to be THAT person. "Don't be that guy."
It might be a humorous way of getting your point across.
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Post by coachfd on Nov 5, 2011 15:42:28 GMT -6
Fan "Class" and Fanhood 101
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Post by coachjd on Nov 5, 2011 16:54:13 GMT -6
Where is the heck is the school admin? ??
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Post by bbrown2804 on Nov 5, 2011 17:11:42 GMT -6
Where is the heck is the school admin? ?? This is what I was about to ask. Where's your AD while all this is going on? I know that if this happened at one of our games, the parents wouldn't be there 5 minutes before our AD would give them the boot and instruct them that their not welcome to return for the rest of the season.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 5, 2011 18:55:31 GMT -6
"Mr Official I have some fans here who are becoming a disruption to the game. They are threatening my staff and players we need to have them removed by security."
At our yearly officials meeting they have told us basically if your situation occurs, let them know and they will have the fans removed before continuing the game. Never seen it done but they claim they will.
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Post by airman on Nov 5, 2011 18:57:42 GMT -6
attending a game is a privilege not a right. people can be removed from a game at anytime. you can also get restraining orders against fans who are problems. most coaches do not want to take the legal route.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 6, 2011 0:32:53 GMT -6
Have them warned by the administration, then if nothing changes have them arrested for disturbing the peace.
If nothing changes inform the super that you will be bringing a civil suit to the district due to their inability to create and support a safe and non-threatening work environment. If they can't deal, you are gone, which you don't want to be part of that type of place anyway.
I am not sure why that is so hard for people to figure out.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 6, 2011 0:39:49 GMT -6
Send a memo to the AD, principal and the district office stating that their negligent behavior is creating an "unsafe work environment". If nothing changes, then send another memo to the Super and inform him you will seek legal counsel to protect yourself.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 6, 2011 14:10:41 GMT -6
At a lot of the inner city schools we play, the home sideline is away from the stands. I know some fields have stands on both side or all the way around, but I like the idea of being away from all the people, fans, parents.
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Post by trojan on Nov 6, 2011 15:04:03 GMT -6
At a lot of the inner city schools we play, the home sideline is away from the stands. I know some fields have stands on both side or all the way around, but I like the idea of being away from all the people, fans, parents. I haven't had bad experiences like this, but the best thing I ever did was move from our traditional spot by the bleachers to the other side by the woods. Does WONDERS for my ADD. No heckles of any kind, no loud cheers by either squad of cheerleaders. If possible, that would be a start for your situation. I doubt that there are too many solutions for parents like those, however. Good luck.
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Post by fantom on Nov 6, 2011 16:02:48 GMT -6
1. Don't ever give out phone #. . I can't agree with this. I think that the kids need to be able to get in touch with you in case of some problem or emergency. I've been in the phone book and have never really had a problem.
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Post by fantom on Nov 6, 2011 16:05:18 GMT -6
At a lot of the inner city schools we play, the home sideline is away from the stands. I know some fields have stands on both side or all the way around, but I like the idea of being away from all the people, fans, parents. This only works if you only have bleachers on one side of the stadium.
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Post by rcole on Nov 6, 2011 18:33:16 GMT -6
We have a district wide policy that a fan can be removed from the game and even barred from attending future games for "obnoxious" behavior. We have had parents removed at a couple of the schools I have worked for. Remove them at the next game. Then require a conference before they are allowed at another school athletic event.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 6, 2011 19:25:03 GMT -6
We've all had jerks, some better-some worse.
Have you ever considered putting a cheap video camara on a tripod stand on your side of the fence and point it at them. Although I've never done it, I'm thinking about it for the future.
They might not even see the thing, but it would give you a reference point with admin and evidence if you need it. They might be surprised to see and hear themselves. Although this might be a kooky idea, at least it's a change from what you already have now. Which is nothing!
They also may just be drunks, that happens. OJW
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Post by nstanley on Nov 7, 2011 0:21:09 GMT -6
Wow. I think there are a lot of good suggestions here. Football is a co-currucular activity and as such is a part of the educational misson of your institution. Nowhere in public education is this sort of behavior acceptable, nor does it support the mission of the institution.
First, the coaches suggesting a preseason meeting outlining your expectations are right on the money. While we believe that people should understand the "norms" of society and in particular the middle class, you'd be surprised. I talk to my parents about what Bob Hurley calls the "Grocery Store Rule." The basic premise is that you don't get to talk to me, an official, a player, or another coach in a manner you wouldn't do at a grocery store.
Second, as per my first point about this being a part of the educational mission of the high school, if the administration won't support you and protect the kids, it's time for a come to Jesus meeting with them. As the saying goes, "All things end badly otherwise they wouldn't end." By that I mean I would rather depart coaching/conducting the program that I want, than allowing things to persist that I disagree with in order to keep the peace or my coaching job. The police are often times good about providing an influencing presence if they're aware of the problem.
Finally, a very good teacher once told me that when he knows he's done his best and someone has something negative to say to him he replies, "I'm sorry you feel that way, have a nice day." While it's tough to find your moment of zen in a situation like that, the saying about wrestling pigs seems pretty appropriate. These people are miserable and want you to be in the same boat.
A little aside from our own season. A few weeks ago, some parents got in the face of a coach who had benched their son. It was a pretty upsetting thing for myself although I didn't really have much to do with it other than breaking it up and dealing with it on Monday. Not 30 minutes later we were going to a restaurant to eat after the game and a former athlete was working there and told me, "I was just thinking about you the other day. Remember when you used to tell us it didn't matter what kind of athlete you are, or how much money you make but what kind of brother, son, father, friend, teammate you are? Well I was thinking about that." I went from the worst it seems it can get for a coach to the best in about 15 minutes. While cowards in the stands can ruin your day, keep in mind what you're really doing and it might help you keep things in perspective.
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Post by ko49 on Nov 7, 2011 6:51:04 GMT -6
Our booster club has done a great job of policing this sort of behavior for us. If your booster president is joining in with them, I'd disassociate myself from him and find supportive parents to run the group. Good leadership from your boosters can take care of a lot of off-field issues so you can focus on coaching...
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Post by coachcb on Nov 7, 2011 12:04:43 GMT -6
Send a memo to the AD, principal and the district office stating that their negligent behavior is creating an "unsafe work environment". If nothing changes, then send another memo to the Super and inform him you will seek legal counsel to protect yourself. Amen!! It really doesn't matter how you approach this in the off-season. You can send out all kinds of fliers and contract to parents, hold meetings, etc.. These kinds of parents will still be a PITA and they need to be removed from the stands of games.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 7, 2011 13:24:04 GMT -6
We had a boyfriend of an ex-step mother...yea, you read that right...come to the locker room after our 3rd game this year and start some trouble or try to with one of our assistant coaches. Our AD did show up and settled the situation down but the following week, sent a registered letter to the guy and that basically said he was banned from school property until some date. One was also sent to the ex-step mother. Both papers stated if they were on school property they would be arrested and charged with disorderly conduct and tresspassing. The day after they got the letter both came to the school to speak to the principal about this letter. She had them both arrested and charged. LOL. Haven't seen either one since. it was funny. The guy was saying "this is bullchit, we just came up here to apologize and see what we could do to be able to see the games" My principal said "then you should have called and I could have met you on the sidewalk, the letter clearly explained to you, if you come on school property you will be arrested and charged, you came on school property, what did you think was going to happen?" haha - Oh to be retiring this year... Oh sweet justice. That is beautiful.
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Post by brianmulligan on Nov 7, 2011 14:06:39 GMT -6
I love the camera idea. I may use a voice recorder on the sidelines so parents can hear how disruptive this can be. I have had a similar problem in my first year. Foul language not used but talking about coaches, it got so bad the last few games my wife had to sit on the visitor side because she could not contain herself and would say something. I told her not to engage in that behavior and she said she could not so she just sat on the visitors side.
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Post by hayhirahmayor on Nov 7, 2011 14:38:03 GMT -6
You have to have Administration support at the games! You should not have to take your attention from coaching to deal with parents. Your AD and/or Sup should be taking care of these people. They need to be removed from the game. The first time this happens, the rest of the fans/parents usually get the clue and cool it. Once they've been removed, they should not be welcomed back until they have met with the AD/Sup/Principal and agree to tone it down or be banned. Your AD can cover all of this in your preseason meeting with the parents so there is no grey area come game time.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 8, 2011 8:50:01 GMT -6
Don't forget to record you conversations with the parents. That's why God invented the smartphone. You better have some good voice editing equipment, coach. I imagine there's a lot of 'colorful verbiage' in those meetings.
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Post by cujo on Nov 8, 2011 22:16:13 GMT -6
I would go hunting, I would put on my hunting clothes, and score over the vast wilderness, from sea to shining sea. And with great intestinal fortitude, and a never say die attitude, I would hope I could find..... MY ADMINISTRATORS TESTICLES. Like the person above said, where are your administrators. If you can hear it among all the stuff that happens on a sideline, where are your guys at.. yikes I am sorry you have to put up with that!!!
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Post by coachcb on Nov 9, 2011 9:31:38 GMT -6
Crazy. It's another world here. I hear that... I had a meeting with a dad last night who is 'concerned' that his boy is ineligible for basketball... The kid has literally turned in 30% of his assignments this quarter. He actually has a D+ in the class because he does well on tests and quizzes. I know, I know, the gurus are going to tell me 'he's just bored' and needs to be 'inspired and driven'. He's on my enrichment track; with all the differentiation and bells and whistles that come with it. The kid is just flat out lazy. His dad informs me that his boy is struggling because "I don't teach" and that "his boy is confused and can't do the work". I pulled out his last test and showed him the final story problem which was a real bitchkitty... I asked him to read it and tell me what he thought about the problem. He told me that it "looked too hard". So I whipped out his boys test; he had gotten it right and was the only one in the class that had done so. His dad looks at him and asks him "what the f-ck is going on with you boy? Are you a f-cking lazy ass?"
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2011 10:46:35 GMT -6
Oddly enough, here - no one has said a word about anything I say. I do try not to cuss, especially the F word but really everything. Last Thursday in a parent teacher conference the kid was trying to say he didn't understand anything, so I asked him a few math questions, he answered them correctly, then I showed him the quiz he didn't turn in and they were the first 5 questions of the quiz he claimed he had no idea how to do. I then told him "see, you know how to do the work, you're just trying to bullchit us. You need to realize we are smarter than you, we know bullchit when we hear it." Mom never batted an eye. Starred a hole right through him. Thank me for being brutally honest, said to stay on him and she would too. Crazy. It's another world here. I'm laughing because I had a similar situation. A kid in my class was acting like a total jerk. I knew his mom pretty well so I thought I could speak more freely than normal. I took him out in the hall and asked him, "Billy, do you know what an a$$hole is?" Billy said that he did. "Billy, if you keep acting that way, you do know that people will think you're an a$$hole". Billy said that he guessed that they would. "Billy, you don't want people to call you an a$$hole, do you?". He said that he did not. Next day, first thing in the morning Billy comes up to me and says, "I told my mom what you said to me yesterday". Of course, I'm thinking "Oh, oh!". I asked him what his mom said. Billy answered, "She said,'See?'".
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2011 12:21:23 GMT -6
The real a-hole is the teacher talking to a student that way and making the rest of us look bad.
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