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Post by bark77dc on Nov 1, 2005 15:13:55 GMT -6
0-9. Not much talent to work with. I was a DC but did not have much control over what we did defensively. I scouted and signaled in calls. I was over ruled on adjustments prior to the games. Even had a nice little spat on the sideline with the HC because he wanted to slide the front to end over.
Here is my deal, I know I need to sit down with the HC and talk. Basically I want more control over the defense. I want to be able to make adjustments and be able to use them because I think it puts our players in the best possible position to succeed. Am I out of line with this?
Also, I am not a teacher, nor do I wish to be, but I love coaching football. I would love for the opportunity to be a head coach someday. Is it realistic to want that, being that I am not a teacher. I run my own business, so I have plenty of time to dedicate to a school, as I have shown the last 2 years at the HS level. I may have more time than a teacher. I also have 2 years as a GA at a DIII college. I think I could be more qualified then some (young)teachers are to be a HC. Just want to know if I am off my rocker or if there is a glimmer of hope.
All thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by ogie4 on Nov 1, 2005 15:19:32 GMT -6
0-9. Not much talent to work with. I was a DC but did not have much control over what we did defensively. I scouted and signaled in calls. I was over ruled on adjustments prior to the games. Even had a nice little spat on the sideline with the HC because he wanted to slide the front to end over. Here is my deal, I know I need to sit down with the HC and talk. Basically I want more control over the defense. I want to be able to make adjustments and be able to use them because I think it puts our players in the best possible position to succeed. Am I out of line with this? Also, I am not a teacher, nor do I wish to be, but I love coaching football. I would love for the opportunity to be a head coach someday. Is it realistic to want that, being that I am not a teacher. I run my own business, so I have plenty of time to dedicate to a school, as I have shown the last 2 years at the HS level. I may have more time than a teacher. I also have 2 years as a GA at a DIII college. I think I could be more qualified then some (young)teachers are to be a HC. Just want to know if I am off my rocker or if there is a glimmer of hope. All thoughts and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Talking about it is a good first step. Your concerns are valid and are reason to talk with your head coach but it is his program right or wrong, if you can't come to a solution, move on and find your own program to run. |
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Post by brophy on Nov 1, 2005 15:30:38 GMT -6
Waterloo East, eh?
What was the reason you took a job there? Alma mater?
There are plenty of schools in the MAC that would LOVE to have you as their HC....
I'd love to throw a word in for ya....
I understand you want to 'build', but Iowa City ,Xavier, Kennedy, Praire, CR, & Washington are some power houses...tough, tough conference, but you'd know better than I.
Watch Iowa City roll over Bettendorf this week.
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Post by bark77dc on Nov 1, 2005 15:58:00 GMT -6
Not East High, Not sure I could handle coaching there...But from what I hear, they should be turning around in the next year or so
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Post by bark77dc on Nov 2, 2005 12:19:51 GMT -6
Anyone have any thoughts on my possibilities of getting a HC job eventually, even though I am not a teacher?
I am interested to hear what other coaches think
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Post by eaglefish on Nov 4, 2005 13:22:58 GMT -6
Do not know about the rules where you are - but - there is NO chance of that happening here in Tx.....you have to be a full time employee of the District - and as such it is unlikely to have one person hired spec as HC and no teaching responsibilities......AD yes - HC no.....again, it may be totally different there.
Honestly - if I was AD I would want the HC to be full time employee of the School.....on the other issue - if you are the DC and not able to make adjustments as you need then you are only DC in name anyway.....I definitely would have a chit chat on this issue with the HC. Sure - he may have final OK - but him not going with any of your suggestions and pulling his own stuff reflects he wants to be DC or has no confidence in you.......since the team went O for 9 he should be asking himself if he is best for JOB or not. (not blaming it on him just a natural thing).....I would just put it out there - either I am DC or NOT....I am in your boat also - have my own business and love coaching - - - it comes down to evil money for me - have to keep enough coming in to pay the X, house, education for kiddo etc so my only option is coaching youth levels..........maybe one day a windfall will come and then make the move to full time.....we all can dream and everything is possible - just need another way to skin the cat is all.
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Post by bark77dc on Nov 4, 2005 14:00:21 GMT -6
The State says you just need to have your coaching Authorization to coach. School districts may have other requirements to meet as well. Problem I see, is when a coach retires from teaching and keeps his coaching duties. To me it is the same thing as a young guy that has a different career but the time to be a coach. That retired teacher is no longer a full time employee of the district.
My thought is I need to find a reason...a real good reason for a school to give me a shot over a teacher/coach. My thought is too many schools sacrifice quality teachers by trying to hire the best possible coach. If it was me, I would look at coaches that aren't teachers a little more, they may have more time to put into the program, while teachers most likely need to put in the same if not more hours in with their students. I would hire the best possible teacher for a teaching opening and the best possible coach for the coaching opening. If the teacher happens to be the best possible coach, then hire them for both, but I just can't honestly be told that all coaches are the best possible teacher for their teaching position.
Somewhat frustrating, but I put myself in this position. It would be solved if I went back to get my teaching certificate, which is not an option. The reason I left the education major is I felt I was only doing it so I could coach. I felt that was a disservice to the kids and the school.
I do appreciate everyone's responses.
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Post by tog on Nov 4, 2005 15:48:02 GMT -6
coaching is teaching bark
if you love one thing(football obviously)
and you have some knowledge and interest in something else (for me, history, social studies etc,,,) then teaching is a good gig too
seeing kids learn anything is pretty cool
i know there are teacher/coaches out there that do a disservice to their kids in class, but I would say the good coaches out there are also the best teachers in any school
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Post by bark77dc on Nov 4, 2005 18:28:15 GMT -6
No question coaching is teaching, but it is for the most part teaching kids that want to learn. I wasn't trying to say all coaches are not very good teachers. In fact my high school OL coach is the best teacher at my High school in my opinion so I know it does connect.
Either way, I have been hearing more and more lately that some coaches are leaving coaching because the time required to be successful teachers and coaches seems to be growing. Whatever the reason, I know their are good arguements either way for always wanting the HC to be a teacher or not to be one.
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Post by tog on Nov 4, 2005 22:25:54 GMT -6
Teaching loser kids can be a challenge
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