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Post by emptybackfield on Oct 24, 2011 6:59:12 GMT -6
We all understand that we're basically working 2 full-time jobs from August to November. The principals expect us to be Horace Mann in the classroom and still run a football program.
What if any advice/words of wisdom do you have to balance these two? I'm in my 7th year of doing both, and am starting to figure things out a little bit. However, I still have a lot to learn.
Do you "take is easy" some days in the classroom in order to avoid being burned out? Do you lighten your workload in regards to grading?
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Post by bephysical on Oct 24, 2011 10:39:14 GMT -6
Take it easy
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Post by John Knight on Oct 24, 2011 10:43:28 GMT -6
Horace Mann was never a teacher, you know.
He did say this though, At Antioch College a monument carries his quote (now the college motto): "Be Ashamed to Die Until You Have Won Some Victory for Humanity."
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 24, 2011 10:52:29 GMT -6
Over time you learn to work smarter which can make things much more managable for you during the season. If you have been teaching the same content area all along then you likely have all the major planning work for individual units completed which removes one huge time robbing job. Grading as much as possible using technology- scantrons sheets or clickers (computer grades as he student enters their answers) or grading things together in class can be a huge time saver. Also look to plan things around say game day if you are a guy that has some nerves or needs "quiet time" or whatever.
Always remember the teaching is what pays the bills so take care of things as they should be taken care of.
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Post by airraider on Oct 24, 2011 12:37:09 GMT -6
Ive gotten very lucky this year... I teach 2 study hall classes and 2 speech classes...
The study hall is a no brainer... make them shut up and have something, anything... to work on.. no talking..
The speech classes are a little more time demanding on my part because I have to actually grade their speeches...
I also have 2 planning periods and athletic PE.. cant beat that!
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Post by robinhood on Oct 24, 2011 12:44:41 GMT -6
I get paid more to teach than coach, so most of my time goes to teaching. Honestly, I don't teach any differently during football season than I do the rest of the school year. That's what I've done for all 36 years I've taught and coached. Teaching, and the time associated, comes first.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 24, 2011 12:56:14 GMT -6
I do both to the best that I can. With that said, I'm worn the heck down come November. I'm a elementary PE teacher now, so my day consists of tying shoes, throwing dodgeballs at kids, stretching, and sending kids to the nurse...so it's not that stressful anyway.
I will say that during my seasons (Fall football, Spring Lacrosse) I don't try "new" things in the classroom- if there is a new activity I want to try I do it during the winter months or late in May.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 12:59:01 GMT -6
I never really did anything different during football when I had fulltime teaching jobs. I teach English so the grading load is going to be time consuming no matter what time of year it is. Aboutas the only thing I did in terms of taking football into account was plan all "major" writing assignments for second semester and teach a novel first semester.
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Post by emptybackfield on Oct 24, 2011 13:19:04 GMT -6
Good discussion here. I'm teaching (different curriculum, different age group, different school) and coaching in a new environment this year as opposed to my last six years, so it's been pretty challenging. Everything is easier after you've already done it once.
I take a day a week where I take it pretty easy, show a documentary or something like that. When you're "working" 7 days a week, you gotta have that.
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Post by carookie on Oct 24, 2011 13:29:56 GMT -6
I teach AP and honors so there is no time off; but to be honest I wouldn't want it. I get FED UP, with half effort teachers who just assign reading and quiet work most of the time. There should be something to differentiate yourself from a tape recording.
Now I get that some days you don't feel well, but that's in every walk of life. Consider it this way, would you ever just "take it easy" on the coaching field? I hope not. I think the best way to attack this is pride; yes I know this reads cheesy, but to me its honest. You should make it your goal to NEVER teach a bad lesson, the same way you NEVER want a bad practice.
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Post by emptybackfield on Oct 24, 2011 16:43:11 GMT -6
I teach AP and honors so there is no time off; but to be honest I wouldn't want it. I get FED UP, with half effort teachers who just assign reading and quiet work most of the time. There should be something to differentiate yourself from a tape recording. Now I get that some days you don't feel well, but that's in every walk of life. Consider it this way, would you ever just "take it easy" on the coaching field? I hope not. I think the best way to attack this is pride; yes I know this reads cheesy, but to me its honest. You should make it your goal to NEVER teach a bad lesson, the same way you NEVER want a bad practice. I understand where you're coming from, and agree with you to a certain extent. I take pride in my teaching. However most people on this board (I could be very wrong on this, but don't think I am) , including myself, are much more passionate about coaching than teaching. We love football a hell of a lot more than we love our teaching content. Anyone on here post on a teacher's message board? It's natural that we're going to take more pride in our coaching.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 24, 2011 17:44:49 GMT -6
I am a first year PE teacher at a elementary school, and just got hired as the head varsity wrestling coach at a bigger school in the district. I am a little worried about being able to handle everything, but I am planning as much in advance as I can. Even with that, I worry that I might have some trouble when practice starts next Monday staying on top of everything,
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 24, 2011 18:20:38 GMT -6
I am a first year PE teacher at a elementary school, and just got hired as the head varsity wrestling coach at a bigger school in the district. I am a little worried about being able to handle everything, but I am planning as much in advance as I can. Even with that, I worry that I might have some trouble when practice starts next Monday staying on top of everything, Best advice I can tell you is to get to school early...not like 1/2hr early I mean like 1.5-2hrs before class. You'd be amazed at what you can get done at 6am when no one is around...
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Post by bigdog2003 on Oct 24, 2011 18:43:16 GMT -6
I am a first year PE teacher at a elementary school, and just got hired as the head varsity wrestling coach at a bigger school in the district. I am a little worried about being able to handle everything, but I am planning as much in advance as I can. Even with that, I worry that I might have some trouble when practice starts next Monday staying on top of everything, Best advice I can tell you is to get to school early...not like 1/2hr early I mean like 1.5-2hrs before class. You'd be amazed at what you can get done at 6am when no one is around... I get there when the doors open every day. I am driving about an hour to get there, so I get up about 4am and leave my house about 5. I laugh when I see all the teachers come dragging in at 7:15 when the kids are getting there. They ask me how I always look so awake, I just laugh and say been up since 4am. I didn't think I had a chance of getting this head coaching job, I had 1 year of varisty experience and interviewed really for the experience of interviewing for a varsity head coaching job. The AD called me 2 days later to offer me the position, I was shocked. I knew the interview went well, but I didn't think I would get the job with that little experience. He said he saw potential and was willing to take the chance on me.
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Post by k on Oct 24, 2011 19:44:58 GMT -6
The fall means there is no socialization with friends, limited time with my family. It means I put in 50 hours into teaching and another 50+ into football.
No poker night.
No date night.
No television.
No going to the movies, bowling, or basketball.
It means life during the fall is very "focused."
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Post by flexoption91 on Oct 25, 2011 4:50:36 GMT -6
Like Mike and Bigdog said, get there early.
I love the quiet time of 615 in the morning at school. It is the only time of the day where I really feel I can get something done with no chance of distractions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 7:05:28 GMT -6
I like the "get there early" suggestions. Again, I've been without fulltime work for a few school years now, but when I had fulltime jobs, I basically used from 6:3O in the a.m. to the start of first hour as my "prep" period for school. This allowed me to use my real prep for rest and/or football stuff.
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Post by blb on Oct 25, 2011 7:31:34 GMT -6
It's simply a time-management issue - same as it is for the kids who play Football, go to school, have social and family lives.
I also liked to get to school early and get ready for my day without being distracted. Having 1st Hour Prep was great, too, when I did.
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Post by hwkfn1 on Oct 25, 2011 8:14:25 GMT -6
I get a student teacher every fall. I have been fortunate the last few years and have had great student teachers who quickly take over my classes (I teach four sections of the same subject). I let them do all of the grading, etc. But, I closely monitor what they are doing in the classroom. I do take teaching very seriously, but having a student teacher helps a lot during the season.
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Post by bephysical on Oct 25, 2011 8:17:09 GMT -6
A lot of you are talking about getting to school early... We have 1st period JH athletics on the line 6:50, so we get here around 6:20 everyday. Then a full teaching load, one conference period right before HS athletics (field setup), then HS practice till 6. You guys must be at bigger schools
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 8:21:26 GMT -6
My guess would be smaller schools, actually. Most of the small schools in IL--maybe most schools period--don't have "athletic periods" or "athletic PEs" or whatever they may be called.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 25, 2011 8:24:23 GMT -6
Coaching is who I am. Teaching is what I do. With that being said I would guess 95% of us on here pay the bills with our teaching jobs. We ask our kids to be student-athletes, we should be teacher-coaches. You take pride in your coaching take pride in your classroom. Sure it's human nature to need a break every now and then but don't be that guy who does nothing during football. I also find that being active in the classroom helps the day go by a lot faster and it doesn't seem like a grind when you are busy.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Oct 26, 2011 2:44:36 GMT -6
Coaching is who I am. Teaching is what I do. With that being said I would guess 95% of us on here pay the bills with our teaching jobs. We ask our kids to be student-athletes, we should be teacher-coaches. You take pride in your coaching take pride in your classroom. Sure it's human nature to need a break every now and then but don't be that guy who does nothing during football. I also find that being active in the classroom helps the day go by a lot faster and it doesn't seem like a grind when you are busy. I like, and agree with, the teacher-coach analogy. It would just be nice if the football parents bought into that as well.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 26, 2011 5:18:04 GMT -6
Take a play off and you get sat on the bench. I showed a 10 minute video on Hercules, mythology is part of our history curriculum, on Friday to two classes who were ahead of the others. And I got called into the office. And I have gone way above and beyond this year with trying to incorporate essay based exams in conjunction with the English department to "teach across the curriculum" as well as a journal to instruct different types of writing using History content as the medium. I have also brought in novels that we read and reflect on as a class. And I take a play off and I get called on the carpet. Perhaps I start sending all of my discipline issues to the office and increase their workload.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 26, 2011 5:19:20 GMT -6
I am a first year PE teacher at a elementary school, and just got hired as the head varsity wrestling coach at a bigger school in the district. I am a little worried about being able to handle everything, but I am planning as much in advance as I can. Even with that, I worry that I might have some trouble when practice starts next Monday staying on top of everything, Best advice I can tell you is to get to school early...not like 1/2hr early I mean like 1.5-2hrs before class. You'd be amazed at what you can get done at 6am when no one is around... That is great advice.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Oct 26, 2011 11:26:31 GMT -6
English teacher, Head coach - I have an old army cot in the fieldhouse. I use it from Thursday night through Monday night during the season. I don't go home.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 26, 2011 18:05:44 GMT -6
Ohh, and I'm not coming in that early EVERYDAY- I get in early on Monday and Wednesday. Immediately after school on Friday I plan for the following week. Monday morning I handle any football specific stuff and Wednesday morning I look at both football and classroom stuff.
My plannign period has been switched to the last period of the day to get me to practice on time...so I NEVER get school-day planning time. It's all good though- I'm just happy to have an administrator that pulled strings for me.
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Post by emptybackfield on Oct 27, 2011 9:03:09 GMT -6
English teacher, Head coach - I have an old army cot in the fieldhouse. I use it from Thursday night through Monday night during the season. I don't go home. Are you married?
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