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Post by 19delta on Oct 18, 2011 19:52:27 GMT -6
First...a little background.
1) Just wrapped up an absolutely terrible football season. Long story short, I am DONE coaching football for this particular organization (unpaid volunteer position) but still would like to work with GOOD kids in the weightroom.
2) I have had a couple parents ask me if I would work with their boys in the weightroom. I said I would and created a small group of 13 hand-picked kids. All the kids (6th-8th graders) are hard workers, good athletes, mature, and I won't have to do any babysitting.
3) I am not getting paid anything...not making any money at all on this. Basically coming in two days a week in the morning @6am to train these kids on my own time and dime.
4) I am on my own. No one is helping me coach these kids. I don't feel that I could effectively coach more than the 13 kids I have. Furthermore, I don't want any of the other kids...again...had a horrible football season. Whiny kids, angry parents, etc, etc. I am not interested in volunteering my time for people who do not appreciate it.
5) I cleared my plans with the middle schoool AD. He said that because I am off the clock and not charging anything, he doesn't have any problem with what I am doing.
Problem...I have heard from several parents who are upset with me for not including their son in the group. Again...I didn't do any tryouts or anything like that. I hand-selected 13 kids who, in my opinion, would work hard and not require a great deal of babysitting because they are self-motivated. The parents who are complaining are typically the parents of kids who either were huge pains-in-the-neck or are poor athletes and will slow the rest of the group down.
Am I a bad guy for not including more kids? If I am, what makes me a bad guy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 19:59:26 GMT -6
No, now get back to the weightroom
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Post by dc207 on Oct 18, 2011 20:06:21 GMT -6
Nope. Not at all, in fact, I think it is great. Sounds like you got some good kids and some knucklehead, pain in the butt kids. Join the club! Ha. Good luck, coach!
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 18, 2011 20:21:39 GMT -6
Let them "cut" themselves then no one see's you as a bad guy- lay out the rules (6am, on time be there everyday, work hard be coachable ect.) The turds will be gone in short order and no one can whine they were treated unfairly by you.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 18, 2011 20:29:01 GMT -6
5) I cleared my plans with the middle schoool AD. He said that because I am off the clock and not charging anything, he doesn't have any problem with what I am doing. He probably WILL have a "problem" if the grumblings continue. Sadly this situation could EASILY escalate over his paygrade extremely quickly if the parents want it to. The good thing is you hold all the power in this situation with respect to your participation. Should this escalate, you can simply say "I am only interested in volunteering my time/effort with those that will appreciate it and are ready for the level of intensity necessary" If the other parents continue to apply pressure to the admin, you can simply repeat "I am only interested in volunteering my time and effort with these 13 boys" Then it will be up to the admin to either tell the other parents to STFU or shut down the operation. Either way you finally get to tell the crappy parents how it is. Heck, you can even have some real fun if it gets shut down by having the 13 parents start complaining that THEIR kids lost a wonderful FREE opportunity to better themselves because of the other kids. NOTHING IS BETTER than pitting parent against parent and then getting your popcorn. |
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Post by calkayne on Oct 19, 2011 2:30:00 GMT -6
Coach, your not an a$$ for what you are doing and the choices you made.
You found an organisation in which you do not fit, have seen potential in a group and are looking to further this group through "private coaching" or "private tuition". There is nothing wrong with that.
I would advise however, to not be too subjective to the groups members and set particular tangibles or intangibles. That way you have a fall back to explain the inclusion of those 13, should any issues arise.
Sorry to hear the season was not what you had hoped for.
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Post by jlenwood on Oct 19, 2011 5:02:19 GMT -6
Open it up to everyone, set serious rules and have serious consequences. Such as, 1 strike and you are out during a probation time of maybe 2 weeks. That way, after you are started and one of the kids you want in your program can't be there, you won't hear any grief from the lazies.
You never know, a couple of the turds might step up to the pressure the others are putting on them and surprise you, after all you did say these are 6th through 8th graders. So maybe some of them might mature a bit and step it up.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 19, 2011 7:35:46 GMT -6
No, you're not a bad guy; it your time that's being volunteered. I volunteered for weight room duty at one point and hated having my time wasted.
I would open it up to everyone but lay down concrete rules with serious consequences (i.e. getting kicked out). And, I would have some stiff rules there; warn them once for screwing around and then boot them after that. Have them all sign a contract.
This approach does a few things. First, it keeps the parents and administration off of your back, to a point. Secondly, a few of those other kids may step up and surprise you. And, lastly, you'll be teaching the slackers a lesson they rarely get in real life; screw around and you're done.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 19, 2011 7:49:37 GMT -6
Around here you would have to approved by the board, hired as a volunteer assistant, do the BCI/FBI thing and get approval to run a weight program at the middle school using the board's facilities. If anyone did not think you were doing the best thing for all kids you could be asked to turn in your weight room keys.
That is my world.
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 19, 2011 9:59:43 GMT -6
you open the weight room. any athlete is free to use it. however, you are only going to work with these 13 kids in any type of instructional/training setup. all other student-athletes that choose to work out in the weight room at the same time will not be kicked out of the weight room, they will not be denied access to the facility... they just won't be under your direction nor receive any training from you.
you have not denied any student a service - they have access to the school's weight room facility and equipment. you - as a volunteer - are not a service of the school and, therefore, are not being denied to anyone by the school. you, as an individual, have simply chosen to train only a selected few - the others are free to work out, they just have to do it with someone else's direction or on their own.
for me, if i were going to do this i would find out what the school would charge me for facility use, then divide that into a 'fee' for my services passed on to the parents. now, i'm a "business" and can refuse the right to serve anyone.... or, basically, you can now say that the "personal training class" can only handle 13 kids and they have paid their dues for the year. Next year, it will be opened up to the 1st 13 athletes to complete their registration form, etc.
the school is off the hook because they are charging you - YOU 'own' that time in the weight room, you bought it with your fee - so you can deny anyone the usage of the facility during that time.
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Post by warriorofthepast on Oct 19, 2011 10:32:02 GMT -6
How does the Head Football Coach feel about it?
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 21, 2011 15:03:05 GMT -6
What about if a kid gets hurt working out under your direction/supervision?
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Post by jrk5150 on Oct 21, 2011 15:14:32 GMT -6
you open the weight room. any athlete is free to use it. however, you are only going to work with these 13 kids in any type of instructional/training setup. all other student-athletes that choose to work out in the weight room at the same time will not be kicked out of the weight room, they will not be denied access to the facility... they just won't be under your direction nor receive any training from you. you have not denied any student a service - they have access to the school's weight room facility and equipment. you - as a volunteer - are not a service of the school and, therefore, are not being denied to anyone by the school. you, as an individual, have simply chosen to train only a selected few - the others are free to work out, they just have to do it with someone else's direction or on their own. Except I'd guess he's responsible as the teacher in charge, so he WOULD have to babysit them. Tough one. You can say that you can only handle supervising 13 kids, and these 13 kids got to you first, sorry, if a spot opens up you'll reconsider... I think that's what I'd do. Opening up and then kicking out kids is just a headache you don't need. |
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