clloyd
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Post by clloyd on Dec 20, 2007 18:55:18 GMT -6
How many HC are coordinators? Do you think the HC should be or does that take him away from one side of the ball?
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Post by superpower on Dec 20, 2007 19:00:32 GMT -6
I am HC and OC. I have a great DC whom I trust with that side of the ball. It works well for our staff.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 20, 2007 19:07:16 GMT -6
I would be shocked if the majority of the answers aren't HC/OC.
I know in my experience all but one of the HC i have been associated with at the H.S. level (either played for or worked with) were HC/OC. Two of them went from being a DC to a HC and then they assumed the OC duties while delegating the DC duties to another.
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Post by kboyd on Dec 20, 2007 19:45:58 GMT -6
OC as well as HC
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Post by smurfturf on Dec 20, 2007 19:51:39 GMT -6
Ideally, I would like to just be HC but currently am the OC. I think the important thing is finding someone you can trust on both sides of the ball to put in the time and commitment that is expected.
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Post by touchdowng on Dec 20, 2007 20:10:19 GMT -6
I've been both HC/OC and HC/DC.
The DCing is VERY time consuming and I find that the OCing is a better fit with HC and all of the time commitments I must meet.
Some have done the HC/DC VERY well, I'd love to know their secret because they've made it look really easy and I know it's not.
At the High School level I think I would be bored not coordinating one side of the ball as a HC.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 20, 2007 20:19:53 GMT -6
there was a guy who coached at a local school for 18 years before almost being run out of town after last year. Anyways for 18 years he was the
HC/OC/DC/ST coordinator all at the same time
He did it all , he didnt really trust anyone else to do the gemaplanning for him and wanted all blame to fall on his shoulders
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Post by minterj on Dec 20, 2007 20:22:23 GMT -6
I've done all three.
Was Assistant and DC.
Became HC/OC.
Then HC with other coaches as both OC/DC.
Am now HC/DC---This has been the best fit for me.
Yes, HC/DC takes a butt load of time, but you gotta use your assistants to their strengths and I have a pretty good OC.
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Post by smurfturf on Dec 20, 2007 20:41:09 GMT -6
I think a lot of that has to do with the size of school you are at. I was at a small school and did both OC and DC as the HC. At the current school I am at, I am finding it hard to Coordinate the offense and find time to help with the D.
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coach24
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Post by coach24 on Dec 20, 2007 20:56:07 GMT -6
HC and OC
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Post by run2daylight on Dec 20, 2007 21:57:41 GMT -6
HC/OC and Specials. Being a very young HC, I would rather have the blame fall on me than anyone else. My career just started as an HC and I value the position way too much to just turn things over to someone I don't have total faith in. That being said, I would gladly turn over some of the responsibilities if I found a person that I really trusted.
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Post by hemlock on Dec 21, 2007 8:07:29 GMT -6
At the HS level, unfortunately, most HCs need to coordinate at least one side of the ball. From my experience this is due primarily to the lack of quality coaches on most HS staffs, particularly those outside of the deep south and Texas. Most HSs are lucky to have an HC who is a quality football man and one quality assistant who understands that this is a 12 month job. Unfortunately, most guys who coach football at he HS level are doing it because they can pick up a few extra bucks, get free gear, or believe that they are having a positive impact. These are the guys who just show up, loiter about the practice field pretending to coach, and say the most innane things during the few meetings they attend. They are also hucksters that are the first to say: "I have to leave right after practice b/c of my wife, girl-friend, or kid." As I have noted in other threads, this is why I got out of coaching high school ball. Most guys just to understand that even as position coaches they have to think about their unit a miniumum of 5 days a week; coordinator 6; HC 7 days and that the offseason is just as rigorous as the season. I remembered when I coached HS as a coordinator I told my assistants that they would have to review, regrade, and evaluate their positions based on film from all the games, write up a report, and be prepared to discuss it during our weekly staff meeting. They all nearly quit. I was amazed that they would not look forward to this activity and view it as a means of becoming a better coach and taking ownership of their unit. This is why most HCs have to sub as a coordinator. Its also why in many regions of the country why traditionally weak programs remain weak.
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Post by coachbw on Dec 21, 2007 8:11:39 GMT -6
It depends on what your definition of "coordinator" is. If you mean playcaller, than I am a head coach only and I have 3 coordinators.
If you were to look at what we actually do for work, the input we have, and how we break down the responsibilities, then I am probably more of a coordinator on all 3 sides of the ball and just don't call the plays. This is because I have an active role in determining how we want to attack an opponent, what we want to focus on in practice, how we want to implement schemes . . . to me those are all jobs of coordinators. Playcalling may or may not actually be the job of the coordinator (this is a whole different discussion). It is all just a word choice and titles thing. They don't mean a lot to our staff.
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Post by wingt74 on Dec 21, 2007 8:18:42 GMT -6
HC/OC
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Post by jraybern on Dec 21, 2007 8:40:23 GMT -6
I am HC/OC. There was a good discussion on here a while back about the idea that most of us believe that great defense is what sets the really good teams apart from the rest yet most HC. are OCs. That is another discussion but a great one that was had on here.
There is a very successful program in our state. They have been to the state championship game almost every year for the last 10 years (if they haven't been there every year). Their HC scouts their OC to look for tendencies. Now I know a lot of people self scout, but this is what the HC does, I'm sure amoung other things. He has a very capable OC and another very capable DC. Man it would be nice to have two great guys to have do those jobs so that the HC could coordinate the PROGRAM instead of one side of the ball or the other or both.
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Post by ajreaper on Dec 21, 2007 8:46:22 GMT -6
HC/OC and Specials. Being a very young HC, I would rather have the blame fall on me than anyone else. My career just started as an HC and I value the position way too much to just turn things over to someone I don't have total faith in. That being said, I would gladly turn over some of the responsibilities if I found a person that I really trusted. IMO- you need to learn to delegate, trust and coach coaches otherwise you'll never develop loyal assistants and you'll burn yourself out. |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Dec 21, 2007 12:01:24 GMT -6
I am HC and OC. I have a great DC whom I trust with that side of the ball. It works well for our staff.
Same exact thing here. I have 2 guys split special teams. We are a very small school... We are very fortunate to have as many good AC as we do.
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newhc
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Post by newhc on Dec 21, 2007 12:02:08 GMT -6
I am the HC/DC. I have been that way for 2 years at the varsity level. On the JV Level, I was the HC/OC and the HC/DC. For me, being the DC has worked the best. I have also been an OC at the JV Level.
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