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Post by stackattack on Jan 24, 2007 8:34:57 GMT -6
I posed this question on another thread and in an attempt to not hijack that thread, I'll create one about it. I mentioned that we played a team this year that refused to trade film. It was an out-of-conference opponent. It is part of the rules in our conference that we must trade film so this can only happen in one situation for us, a non-conference opponent. I have a very low regard for those coaches for stiffing us on film. I can't for the life of me believe why a coach would not want film. On a side note, we ended up beating them.
So what is everyone's feelings toward coach's the do this? And are you presently on a staff that won't trade film? (Be Honest) I just want to know reason's .
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Post by brophy on Jan 24, 2007 8:54:41 GMT -6
I think it is extremely retarded to be opposed to trading film.
However, I came from a conference where it USED to be the 'rule' or at least the gentleman's agreement to trade film as everyone in the conference played everyone in regular season. About 15 years ago, the powerhouses (2) of the conference refused to trade film, probably because they didn't need to. They had boosters / supporters who would scout for them, and any night they are not playing, you'd find their entire coaching staff's at other games anyway (good for them).
I really don't think the refusal to trade hinders anyone - from my perspective it just makes you go out (and put effort) into something we should be doing anyway (or have someone to do for us). It is more of a challenge. I think refusing to trade is deteriment to the team that refuses - I want to get better as a team, not just compile wins. However, I don't see this as a crutch for the team that doesn't get film.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 24, 2007 9:18:49 GMT -6
I wish we had some kind of rule where we could trade film we are kind of on our own as far as getting scout film. We usually send some one to film our next opp. game and if we can go for ourselves. Some times we will arrange a trade for film but your pretty much on your own to get the film there is no rule in our region, district, or state. I know in Ohio for some reason you are not allowed to go scout a game and film but you can go an write which makes no sense to me since everyone now has access to some kind of video eqpt.
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Post by bigcroz on Jan 24, 2007 14:38:49 GMT -6
There is 1 coach in our 9 team conference that refuses. The rest of us are going to use game film solutions to trade tapes this year online. Sounds great I hope it works as good as it sounds!!
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Post by Yash on Jan 24, 2007 14:57:44 GMT -6
Here in alaska trading film was tough because teams were 12 hours away sometimes. So by the time you contacted them to trade they'd have to express mail it which cots a lot and you are lucky if you get it by wednesday. Usually if you couldn't trade film you got scouting reports over the phone from opposing coaches around them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2007 15:16:12 GMT -6
We do the Game Film Solutions and aside from a ton of glitches it's nice to be able to trade online and have as much film as you want right away.
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Post by pegleg on Jan 24, 2007 15:40:32 GMT -6
in texas most districts have a rule that you trade 2-3 games. for non district games it is usually agreed on by the hc's, and then put in the contract which is in effect for 2 years. the playoffs is when there are problems. this year our second round opponent didn't want to trade. well that sux but we said ok. the reason for this is our staff has contacts everywhere, so we called around and ended up with 11 tapes on them. just another reason that it is important to develope and maintain contacts. (thanks huey and tog for this board)
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Post by bulldogoption on Jan 24, 2007 15:55:56 GMT -6
Some coaches are more old school....so be it.....if a coach refuses to trade film, then we have to go scout....I get the impression from guys that don't want to trade films that they feel scouting is part of the deal and to trade is to let the opposing coach off the hook.....
How do you guys feel about another team calling and asking for film on a common opponent......
We have a gentlemen's aggrement in our conference not to give away film of our fellow conference teams......
but what about nonconference teams?
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Post by FB4life on Jan 24, 2007 17:12:30 GMT -6
The previous league I coached in mandated film exchange through By-Laws.
However the league I'm in now will not exchange films with each other for fear the tapes would be edited.
What a bunch of S%!!
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Post by phantom on Jan 24, 2007 17:29:03 GMT -6
Some coaches are more old school....so be it.....if a coach refuses to trade film, then we have to go scout....I get the impression from guys that don't want to trade films that they feel scouting is part of the deal and to trade is to let the opposing coach off the hook..... How do you guys feel about another team calling and asking for film on a common opponent...... We have a gentlemen's aggrement in our conference not to give away film of our fellow conference teams...... but what about nonconference teams? I've been doing this since 1979 so I'm pretty "old school" and I think that refusing to trade film is classless and counterproductive. I want to see you as much as you want to see me. Do you know any guys of the staffs of teams that they play. You may be able to get some help there because guys who won't trade tend to be buttheads who make enemies. |
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Post by djwesp on Jan 25, 2007 2:40:56 GMT -6
A coach in our conference refuses to trade film.
He will however, send you his one page playbook and 5 page explanation and description of each play. They are a powerhouse, and he doesn't get much flak.
He just retired, wonder if the new coach will continue the tradition?
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Post by rbsuknow on Jan 25, 2007 4:59:43 GMT -6
our week 9 opponent would not return our HC's phone calls about trading. so we just went into the game with a film that we had of them from week 3. we won 44-13.
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Post by stackattack on Jan 25, 2007 5:25:28 GMT -6
Some of the powerhouse teams I would expect it from. They know that their Jimmie's and Joe's are better than mine and it won't matter what my X and O's are. But those teams that refuse to exchange film and are not that good are the ones that baffle me.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 25, 2007 6:40:46 GMT -6
So let me ask this do you guys go out and scout other teams in person if you can? We usually have the opprtunity to get out and see teams in our region a few times during the season. Do you send scouts to the games to film the game or do you rely only on film exchange?
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Post by aznando on Jan 25, 2007 10:30:33 GMT -6
When I coached it was a pain in the ass to get film, because we played teams all in a city and we were the only team in the league in a town a ways outside so they had to meet us half way somewhere. Besides that we wern't very good, so some teams didn't really want to trade with us. One guy, who was a new coach coaching the first game sent us one sheet of plays, but they were kind of bogus. I Blast, Sweep, Option Right kind of stuff, then proceeded to stay in spread the entire game. One coach was telling me that the previous year, he had somebody give him a tape from the previous year. They didn't catch it till they saw one of their opponents DE, who was currently at a University  . When I played in San Diego, the games we played against the "ghetto" schools who didn't play games at night, our coaches would go to our next opponents games and scout. I dont think they were allowed to tape though. Aznando |
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Post by gamedog on Jan 25, 2007 10:42:41 GMT -6
Stack-if they don't want to trade film then they are getting film from somewhere else most likely. Try to get some film from someone else that has played them during the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 11:25:17 GMT -6
I won't trade film with people who don't give me the same quality i give them. I have gotten film from schools before that a 10 year old could do a better job filming. I think sometimes that coaches give others bad film on purpose.
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Post by gatorball on Jan 25, 2007 11:29:12 GMT -6
In Mercer county Pennsylvania NOBODY, trades. The schools are close and the only time that we trade is if we have a far away out of conference opponent. Other wise it was the duty of the JR High coaches to go and scout. When I coached JR High ball in 1999 at Grove City PA High, the coach sent us scouting with $20 for food and or gas, that was the only perk
On the other hand when I was a head case I mean head coach at AC Valley high PA, we traded because our conference covered 4 counties and the budget for scouting would have been outrageous. It was the gentlemen's agreement that we traded
Personally I like to scout instead of trade, that night you can have the opponents film in hand and I have been in situations where we started to break down film on our opponent that night.
Just depends on what kind of coaches you are dealing with, if he wont trade, then just file that little nugget away for the future when he may need a favor
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Post by wingtol on Jan 25, 2007 12:13:18 GMT -6
Hey Gator where you at in Mercer county???
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Post by baggins52 on Jan 25, 2007 12:27:56 GMT -6
I won't trade film with people who don't give me the same quality i give them. I have gotten film from schools before that a 10 year old could do a better job filming. I think sometimes that coaches give others bad film on purpose. we got film like this two years in row from a school, this year we look up in their box they have two cameras, may be something shady. |
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Post by CVBears on Jan 25, 2007 13:29:46 GMT -6
it is in our league by-laws that we have to exchange the last two films. For our non-league games, some people are good about it and some are not. The ones that are not good about it, they have horrible reputations. But what can you really do about it, force them to give you film?
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Post by gatorball on Jan 25, 2007 13:36:10 GMT -6
I live right in Mercer, I coached there, Grove City, Sharon, Allegheny College, and this past year at Franklin Where I teach.
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Post by playfast on Jan 25, 2007 14:55:29 GMT -6
I believe in exchanging film. I also believe in going to scout because you get a better sense of the players and coaches than just watching it on tape.
I think a lot of guys just don't want to put the time in. Heck, I got one guy on my own staff that does not watch nay tape. That is why he is no longer with us. Some coaches just do not know what they are even looking at so why bother.
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Post by stackattack on Jan 25, 2007 16:06:49 GMT -6
we will send scouts out in addition to getting the film. Our freshmen and jr. high coaches will go out and get things that might be difficult to see on tape. Such things as numbers, cadence, routes, substituations, etc.
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Post by dubber on Jan 25, 2007 17:33:08 GMT -6
Here's another aspect.....we usually return tapes before the game. We got out there one time, and the HC didn't have our tapes! We held his hostage for a week before he finally got them to us. You guys deal with this?
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Post by wingtol on Jan 25, 2007 18:00:51 GMT -6
We send out copies if we exchange so we dont care if we get them back or not
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Post by yspace on Jan 26, 2007 11:32:41 GMT -6
Indiana's coaches association established a pretty clear set of guidelines and it helped, but that doesn't mean it's universally followed. Within our conference at one place I was, I proposed an even more specific format but the ADs didn't want to mess with enforcing it, which I think is always the hang up. One thing that IN coaches were real good about also was exchanging 2-deep depth charts with uniform numbers...simple courtesy, but it saves probably :30 of squinting at numbers on film.
Kentucky, on the other hand, is a whole different world...
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 28, 2007 11:05:06 GMT -6
To me if they don't I don't get mad, truth be told, we are all backdoor trading and already have copies of that teams film before we play them anywayz.
We have a legendary coach here who is known for switiching jersey numbers each week. So you will never get a clear picture of which player is which anywayz.
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Post by phantom on Jan 28, 2007 11:17:41 GMT -6
A guy I know played a game in a heavy rain and at halftime his opponents changed to dry jersies. The thing is they had different numbers.
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. When I played in San Diego, the games we played against the "ghetto" schools who didn't play games at night, our coaches would go to our next opponents games and scout. I dont think they were allowed to tape though.
