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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 10, 2007 22:57:23 GMT -6
Just wondering what the coaching/career implications.
Scenario for those who aren't aware:
Last week, while up and needing only to run out the clock, Payton calls a reverse. Whether designed or not, Reggie Bush tosses the ball back to the WR rather than handing it to the WR. The toss results in a fumble, and the Bucs take possesion and drive down for the winning score with time running out. Saints lose, and basically have no chances of winning the division, very limited chances at playoffs. Payton was much maligned in the local community, local media, and national media.
Fast forward to tonight..national TV..Monday Night football...and Payton opens the game with some type of end around or reverse (I didn't see it).
Was this a blatant "shove it" to all the detractors?
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Post by wildcat on Dec 11, 2007 6:05:04 GMT -6
I don't think that good head coaches do ANYTHING without having a motive, ulterior or otherwise.
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Post by tog on Dec 11, 2007 6:31:49 GMT -6
i bet they practiced the one that opened the game up more than the one reggie bush messed up
yeah
i found it humorous
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Post by brophy on Dec 11, 2007 7:12:56 GMT -6
1) MNF commentators mentioned that on THAT play AND the several 4th and short calls where Payton went for it, that THAT is who Payton is.....you aren't going to stop him from being an aggressive play-caller
2) This is probably 99% sports writer manufactured drama (just like the Steelers 'guarantee' that really wasn't.....goading a player into saying something he doesn't mean)
3) Is it ever a good idea, as a HEAD COACH, to use your team as a platform for your own ego?
4) What makes the opener any different from any of the other Saint's possessions where they pretty much run ANYTHING at ANYWHERE on the field?
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Post by phantom on Dec 11, 2007 7:21:27 GMT -6
From a pure football standpoint it makes sense. If you're a DC what's the one play that you're SURE that you won't see from the Saints?
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Post by tog on Dec 11, 2007 7:26:36 GMT -6
From a pure football standpoint it makes sense. If you're a DC what's the one play that you're SURE that you won't see from the Saints? that's why i thought it was funny i can just hear them "he won't have the guts to do it" |
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Post by wingt74 on Dec 11, 2007 8:37:13 GMT -6
Just wondering what the coaching/career implications. Scenario for those who aren't aware: Last week, while up and needing only to run out the clock, Payton calls a reverse. Whether designed or not, Reggie Bush tosses the ball back to the WR rather than handing it to the WR. The toss results in a fumble, and the Bucs take possesion and drive down for the winning score with time running out. Saints lose, and basically have no chances of winning the division, very limited chances at playoffs. Payton was much maligned in the local community, local media, and national media. Fast forward to tonight..national TV..Monday Night football...and Payton opens the game with some type of end around or reverse (I didn't see it). Was this a blatant "shove it" to all the detractors? When you say "only needing to run out the clock" do you mean he could have done the victory formation but instead called a reverse? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 11, 2007 8:51:21 GMT -6
No, but I believe the situation was such that there was under 2 minutes to play and the ball was on the +40ish. I don't remember exact down and distance.
Don't get me wrong, I am not questioning the playcalling. I am a believer in execution, not playcalling...so I believe that had the reverse been executed properly, it would be a moot point. (However, one must also weigh in on the added risks to the proper execution due to the nature of the play, and the risk/reward ratios....still, not questioning his decision. ) I am simply trying to create the atmosphere of the week, created by talking heads and drunken fans.
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Post by wingt74 on Dec 11, 2007 9:10:03 GMT -6
No, but I believe the situation was such that there was under 2 minutes to play and the ball was on the +40ish. I don't remember exact down and distance. Don't get me wrong, I am not questioning the playcalling. I am a believer in execution, not playcalling...so I believe that had the reverse been executed properly, it would be a moot point. (However, one must also weigh in on the added risks to the proper execution due to the nature of the play, and the risk/reward ratios....still, not questioning his decision. ) I am simply trying to create the atmosphere of the week, created by talking heads and drunken fans. Oh yeah, I hear ya. It's one of those things. The reverse goes for a big gain, he's a brilliant coach. This time he was the goat. The one critisim I would make is...you have to know your players. Isn't Bush the one, in a national chamopionship game in college, who during a long run, tried to lateral the ball to someone creating an unnecessary fumble? You have to know your players. Bush is careless with the ball. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 15, 2007 8:30:09 GMT -6
great point wingt74---and without knowing the actual specifics of the play, this very well could have been a similar situation for bush. The left tackle had given up a great deal of penetration, so much so that the WR had to bow his reverse path deeper than it looked like he wanted to. This could have led to the tossing, rather than handing, which caused the fumble.
I just thought it was an interesting dynamic...the coach had been maligned all week for the play call by national and local media and fans...and he opens the game with the same (or similar) play.
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