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Post by groundchuck on Jan 9, 2007 7:26:42 GMT -6
Okay, all us Tuesday Morning QB's out there. How could OSU have done things differently and been successful? Or was it that the Gators just had too much speed?
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Post by coachjd on Jan 9, 2007 7:50:24 GMT -6
adjust defensive personnel and not play 3 lbers vs the Gators 4 and 5 wide sets.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 9, 2007 7:52:47 GMT -6
Honestly, defensively, I don't know if OSU should've (or could've done) anything different. They played zone heavy coverage, kept everything in front of them and forced Meyers to be a patient play caller. OSU just got beaten, from one first down to the next.
Offensively, they panicked; PERIOD. They ran the ball well on several drives, I think they were quick to abandon the ground game. They're play calling really didn't allow them to find a rhythm at all- thy were looking for the home run every other play. However, I do feel for them- it's tough to get an offense going when the defensive front four is in your backfield all day. There was several times OSU was playing max protect and FU got in there by rushing 4.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 9, 2007 8:16:54 GMT -6
I think it was a combo of things that made this game turn out the way it did. A couple of things that were out of the Buckeyes hands and others they could have dealt with. As is said on another post the 51 day layoff is a complete joke. We have got out of hand with the number of bowls that are played now. I believe that if a bowl can not sell out or at least fill 3/4 of the stadium than you should not play it. When you are used to playing every week for 12 weeks straight and then asked to sit for almost 2 months than it takes it toll on the both the coaches and players. This Ohio State had a fraction of the intensity that we saw previously throughout the year. The team that I saw in Ohio stadium vs. Michigan and the team last night were no where similar from an intensity standpoint. Another thing was the injury factor. With Ginn out it seemed the Offense seemed in complete disarray. Not a good sign for next year since most think that Ginn will leave.
Now to the things that they could control. The first thing was I still do not understand how either Tressel or Troy Smith did not call a single crossing pattern in the first half. Every time the Gators blitzed they left the middle of the field open. It was not like the Gators were trying to hide te blitzes either. When they lined up and showed they were coming, most the time they did. Im not sure if it was because Ginn was out or their heads werent in the game or what it was. IMO, it was due to the fact that Florida's defense was much faster than Ohio State really planned on. Troy did not have the time he has had all year and when he scrambled (which is when he is the most potent) the closing speed of Florida defenders was amazing.
Also, Percy Harvin is the real deal. In the next couple years this guy will be a legit Heisman candidate. He can do it all from his wide reciever position. I was really impressed with his play last night. There was no one (including Ginn) that could keep up with guy in open space. The problem was that the Buckeyes had a linebacker on him and shadowing him! Now I love the way James Laurenitis plays but to ask him to keep up with Harvin borders on cruel and unusual punishment. The Bucks had not seen this type of team speed at anytime this year. Urban Meyer outcoached Tressel tonight but Ohio State will be back. In the next couple years we will be talking about Chris Wells and Percy Harvin duking it out for the Heisman. Oh yeah, and throw Tim Tebow in there as well. Florida is going to be stacked for the next few years to come. From a Big Ten guy and a diehard Ohio State fan we got it handed to us tonight. Only thing I can say is at least Ohio had some part of the championship. Urban Meyer is from north eastern Ohio and he represented well last night.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 9, 2007 8:19:47 GMT -6
Play someone else at QB. That guy was terrible. Did he win an award or something this year? Plus, OSU defense was just completely confused.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 9, 2007 8:22:14 GMT -6
How about not going for it on 4th & 1 on your own what 35 when it was 21-14 I walked up stairs and got into bed at that point. My wife asked if the game was over already. I said it is now. Also no Ted Ginn for OSU so logically you....throw the ball.....how about running it? Seemed to me OSU was doing pretty good running when they did. Looked like they tried to play floridas game. One other thing, how about trying to cover the underneath routes seemed like UF was just killing them underneath.
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Post by wildcat on Jan 9, 2007 8:22:46 GMT -6
Here's what I didn't like:
1. Going for it on 4th Down from the OSU 30...terrible, terrible decision!
2. Not getting more pressure on Leak. When OSU only rushed 3, Leak had all day to find open receivers underneath.
3. Passive DB play. Seemed like OSU was really concerned about giving up big plays. After those first few series, the OSU DBs should have been in the Florida receivers faces, jamming them at the LOS. Instead, they played off the LOS all night and Leak was able to dump short passes underneath to receivers who made great plays in space. How many times did UF throw downfield? Once, maybe two times all game? OSU gave UF the underneath stuff and Leak ate it up.
4. Offensively, where was the OSU running game? On the series that OSU scored their only offensive TD, they ran the ball really well. After that series, they got away from it. They lost 1st Down almost every single time. Instead of having 2nd and 6 or less, they almost always had a 2nd and 10 because of an incomplete pass on 1st Down.
5. Pass protection. Haven't seen such a collossal breakdown in pass protection since Pittsburgh knocked the Colts out of the playoffs a year ago. UF had some outstanding blitz schemes that OSU simply was not ready for.
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Post by information on Jan 9, 2007 8:35:27 GMT -6
All I can say is...if you are off for 51 days, how can you play your best. Lets face it, any of the other BCS teams would have beaten OSU last night...LSU, USC, Louisville, Wake, ND, Boise, Oklahoma, Michigan...hell Grand Valley State might of beaten them...just kidding :-)
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Post by coachbronk on Jan 9, 2007 8:43:11 GMT -6
I was shocked at how passive OSU was last night. The played back on their heels and seemed to be waiting for punch after punch from Florida. They seemed to get away from what they do. The whole team seemed to panic early and they were only down by 7. I think Tressel's decision to go for it on 4 and 1 at their own 29 sent a message of panic to everyone.
I understand 51 days is a long time and totally unacceptable, but thats no excuse to come out unprepared. Outside the opening kickoff, they had 7 points and 85 yards of offense.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 9, 2007 8:51:30 GMT -6
I was shocked at how passive OSU was last night. The played back on their heels and seemed to be waiting for punch after punch from Florida. They seemed to get away from what they do. The whole team seemed to panic early and they were only down by 7. I think Tressel's decision to go for it on 4 and 1 at their own 29 sent a message of panic to everyone. I understand 51 days is a long time and totally unacceptable, but thats no excuse to come out unprepared. Outside the opening kickoff, they had 7 points and 85 yards of offense. I agree....All year Ohio State has been the team to come out and punch the other guy, and in the cases of getting punched first they would respond right away like the Michigan game. Last night you could not as for a better start with the openng kickoff by your most explosive player. From then on it was a team that seem unsure of just what to do in a lot of situations. That teamed with bad penalties you are going to get it handed to you. They were just never a real part of the game. The one time Tressel tried to instill some life into them it blew up directly in his face. I agree that just about any BCS team, including Boise State, would have taken Ohio State behind the woodshed last night. It was a really sad way to end an otherwise awesome year. The only bright side would be in Pittman, Ginn, and Gonzo use this game as a reason to stay in school.
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Post by Yash on Jan 9, 2007 13:00:39 GMT -6
You don't win ball games when the other team runs twice as many plays as you do. Plays were Florida 80 OSU 37. Can't score when you don't have the ball. I'm not sure it was what they did on defense that killed them. Their defense never had a rest because their offense got off the field so quickly. You gotta control the clock to win the big games.
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Post by bhb on Jan 9, 2007 13:11:16 GMT -6
how about TRYING to get a little pressure.. 3 man rush just aint gonna get it done. I'm sitting there watching the Gators O-line executing 2 double teams with no LB to combo to. cover 3 the whole game? c'mon, get a little pressure would ya. those bubble screens were killing em all night. OSU's defensive game plan was odd, to say the least.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jan 9, 2007 13:23:29 GMT -6
not play mainly a cover 2 zone all night - and also, Ohio State was afraid to blitz anyone, since this would have put them in man or man free, depending on the set - the Ohio State linebackers continuously were bailing out to deep hook/curl zones and Florida continuously hit the short dig or drag underneath them
playin' it cool - Luke
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Post by Yash on Jan 9, 2007 16:32:59 GMT -6
Oh another one, don't injure your star player while celebrating the opening kickoff.
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Post by rebelcoach on Jan 9, 2007 17:14:08 GMT -6
Speed speed speed, coaching coaching coaching, none of the above...
This one came down to penalties and turnovers.
Ohio state's game plan was based on playing a bend but don't break defense and a ball control offense - good plan until you let Florida start their first drive at the 49 due to a 15 yard perosnal foul, then their second drive at the 34 due to another perosnal foul, then throw an INT inside their 30 just when your offense was starting to move the ball - resulting in another Florida TD, then after an OSU score and a defensive stop you turn the ball over again going for it on 4th and 1 to set up a florida field goal, and then come out the very next drive and fumble the ball away at the 5 leading to an easy Florida TD.
Yeah Florida was fast, yeah Urban Meyer is a great coach, yes OSU looked sluggish after a 51 day layoff - but OSU really gave that game away with stupid penalties and turnovers in the first half.
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Post by jno on Jan 10, 2007 2:29:33 GMT -6
I don't know who is the conditionning coach but OSU don't seemmed to be in his performance peak, with such speed difference for athlete of this caliber i think OSU did something wrong ,from a conditionnig view, during his 51 days of preparation.
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Post by coachbronk on Jan 10, 2007 9:01:27 GMT -6
Speed speed speed, coaching coaching coaching, none of the above... This one came down to penalties and turnovers. Ohio state's game plan was based on playing a bend but don't break defense and a ball control offense - good plan until you let Florida start their first drive at the 49 due to a 15 yard perosnal foul, then their second drive at the 34 due to another perosnal foul, then throw an INT inside their 30 just when your offense was starting to move the ball - resulting in another Florida TD, then after an OSU score and a defensive stop you turn the ball over again going for it on 4th and 1 to set up a florida field goal, and then come out the very next drive and fumble the ball away at the 5 leading to an easy Florida TD. Yeah Florida was fast, yeah Urban Meyer is a great coach, yes OSU looked sluggish after a 51 day layoff - but OSU really gave that game away with stupid penalties and turnovers in the first half. And that my friend is called Coaching.
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 10, 2007 10:00:02 GMT -6
RUN THE ROCK!! And how bad was Ginn's ankle injury anyway?
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Post by gamedog on Jan 10, 2007 10:18:02 GMT -6
51 days off is asking a lot of a team. Florida played twice since OSU last played. Think about how your teams performed in the 1st scrimmage of the year, because that is basically what OSU had to do. Granted I think they needed some defensive adjustments.
Offensively if the other team can control your run and pass with the down lineman your in trouble.
The end result was obvious to me when the most conservative coach in the land goes for it on his own 29 only down 10. If he was a gambler all year I don't think it would have been as big. But, since his players know he is not a gambler and then he does that, it shows he didn't they could win unless they made that first down.
Tressel seemed to grasp at straws in play calling, and I think he is a great play caller for what they usually do.
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