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Post by superpower on Sept 15, 2011 9:39:07 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Sept 15, 2011 10:15:39 GMT -6
We'll see if that turns some heads in our program. I kind of doubt it though; the basketball HC has the kids convinced that they'll end up in a wheel chair after getting cancer, Ebola and the plague if they play football.
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Post by dubber on Sept 15, 2011 10:28:05 GMT -6
Nice article.
Lochness is going to hate this, but.........
Basketball (and Baseball) players are, in general, selfish.
Sure, you can get a kid who relishes his Bill Laimbeer role, or the guy who'll sacrifice bunt to advance the runner, but as a rule, those kids want to score buckets and hit the ball.
Important to realize those sacrificial type of kids only get that way AFTER they are invested...........the question is: "How do we get them to buy in initially?"
Those kids, in general, will not get excited about spending the fall stalk blocking.
It doesn't have to be reality, but it MUST be perceived by these young men (whose athleticism, by the way, HELPS you get to the next level), that if they are going to be thrown the football, they will play.
Notice it is the perception that garners you their participation (and eventually commitment).........once they are on the team, they generally have no problem moving to DB or TE or whatever you need to WIN.
Most will not get caught up in "but I thought we were going to look like Michael Crabtree"..........most young men will love football, regardless of what they actually do on the field, if they give it a chance.
I can't tell you how many power forwards became OT's off that old bait and switch scheme.
They come out in the spring, and all we're doing is throwing the ball........well hey, this is awesome! They have fun, develop relationships with team mates and coaches, and buy in.
Then, you have "The Talk" about what's best for the team, they are bought in on the TEAM vs. me thing, and viola! you have an upgrade in athleticism on the OL.
Sometimes, the best coaches are the best liars.
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Post by turney on Sept 15, 2011 10:45:22 GMT -6
Basketball kids are more me and I kids, we have had more luck getting them out by going spread and throwing the ball.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 15, 2011 10:49:06 GMT -6
6'6 centers in high school basketball are a dime a dozen...
6'6 wide recievers in high school football are a little more rare and PROBABLY have a better shot of a scholarship
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Post by blb on Sept 15, 2011 10:49:11 GMT -6
Basketball kids are more me and I kids, we have had more luck getting them out by going spread and throwing the ball. Why would you want to pander to selfish "me and I" kids? I took over from a guy who ran 4-5 wide Spread, threw 30 times a game (and won six games total last three years). We are a Veer team, average 10 passes a game. The best basketball players in our school are playing. BTW we are 9-4 in a year-plus. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 15, 2011 11:00:22 GMT -6
Our success in basketball carries over in a lot of ways, other than lower numbers because of "risk of injury".
We are one of the biggest schools in our class, we have a larger student pool to drawn from so we inevitably have more talent because of the large basketball numbers. We just end up with more athletic kids on the basketball floor (numbers are always huge) and they ride that athleticism to wins. They don't play 'physical' basketball; we struggle to pull down rebounds or drive the paint. We have a lot of speed and strength on the football team but it has been like pulling teeth to get them to play physical football. They're quickly learning that it doesn't matter how fast or athletic you are, you will not be successful in football if you aren't physical.
And, they are used to rolling up 20-30 point wins in basketball so we have a hard time with competitive situations. We have to fight to keep their chins up when we're down and we have to preach finishing when we're up.
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Post by fantom on Sept 15, 2011 11:23:03 GMT -6
There's a fine line between pandering and making your program attractive just as there's a line between believing in your system and being foolishly rigid.
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 15, 2011 11:28:29 GMT -6
I'd be willing to bet that there are more scholarship-worthy football players on most basketball courts than there are scholarship basketball players...if they'd just play football.
It's actually kind of ironic that football is probably the easiest sport for an athlete to excel at. But it's the hardest sport to actually play. Basketball is incredibly difficult skill wise to play at a high level, but it's much, much easier to play - you can always find a pick up game, you can dramatically improve your skills by yourself in your driveway, and you can easily see your improvement.
We had a kid in our local HS that was a DI/II basketball prospect, 6'8", strong, good athlete. Played TE/DE in football. Left after his Jr. year to go to a private school to repeat his Jr. year and improve his basketball prospects. He decided to play football there too, and is now a DI FBS football prospect at DE. I don't know that he's a top DI basketball player...
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 15, 2011 11:29:06 GMT -6
Oops. Double post.
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Post by flingt on Sept 15, 2011 11:46:40 GMT -6
Devils advocate who coaches football and baseball. If I see a kid who could help us in football, but his ticket is in baseball, then I don't care if he doesn't play football. I'm not that selfish to put my needs above a kids. If he's average then I encourage them to try football. I've had lots of success that way because the kids respect it.
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Post by coachbuck on Sept 15, 2011 11:59:33 GMT -6
At our school its not the kids, its the coaches, b ball and basketball. Those coaches hate football and discourage kids from playing. I wish the a.d. would step in. Let kids play as much sports as they want to. Very few are gonna play college ball so enjoy your h.s. time. btw it also hurts the b ball and basketball programs. Footballers dont go out for other sports because the coaches have there click of kids. My son is 6"2 sophmore loves basketball. Wont play because of basketball coach. Pisses me off!
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 15, 2011 12:21:57 GMT -6
We have basketball coaches who tell kids to not play football. We had a 5'8 running back who ran for 1000 yards combined his sophomore and junior seasons in a crowded backfield. He had D1 coaches drooling over his talent but he though he was a PG and is now playing at some junk JUCO because of it. We actually have some kids at other schools in the district and area who are GREAT football players but wouldnt come to school here because of our basketball program. I agree with coachbuck to let the kids play sports but when coaches are telling them not to play I get a little frustrated. Our football staff has NEVER told a kid to not play another sport, we actually encourage it, not so much from everybody else though.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 15, 2011 12:30:28 GMT -6
I don't even bother talking about scholarships with the kids. I want them focused on the team and not on getting their "numbers" for recruiters.
And, I will never cater to the basketball players when it comes to schemes. Our guys have bought into our offensive system; we run the ball forty times a game, we move it and score points
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Post by shields on Sept 16, 2011 4:30:18 GMT -6
I have never be at a school where the basketball or baseball coaches encourage kids to play football. That being said, the staffs that I have been a part of have always encouraged kids to be multi-sport athletes. Case in point: best athlete in school decides to play football this season. In his first season playing football since middle school, he gets moved up to Varsity by game three. The week after this happens, while watching film this Monday, the basketball coach and his mother pull him out and the basketball coach tries to get her to convince him to QUIT football!! The student-athlete told his basketball coach that he was having fun and didn't intend to quit anything and mom backed him. I cannot believe the basketball coach would yank this kid out of a football meeting to ask him to quit!
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Post by coachcb on Sept 16, 2011 8:00:35 GMT -6
I have never be at a school where the basketball or baseball coaches encourage kids to play football. That being said, the staffs that I have been a part of have always encouraged kids to be multi-sport athletes. Case in point: best athlete in school decides to play football this season. In his first season playing football since middle school, he gets moved up to Varsity by game three. The week after this happens, while watching film this Monday, the basketball coach and his mother pull him out and the basketball coach tries to get her to convince him to QUIT football!! The student-athlete told his basketball coach that he was having fun and didn't intend to quit anything and mom backed him. I cannot believe the basketball coach would yank this kid out of a football meeting to ask him to quit! I have been in one program where there is support for all sports. It's no surprise that athletics, as a whole, is very successful. Basketball, football and track aren't just competitive; they're the elite in the state. I told my current team that we were going to take a field trip to that school three times a year (we're in a completely different class). In the winter, they'll see the kids lifting and playing basketball, in the spring, it's lifting and track, the summer, they lift, hit football camps and play baseball. But, it all falls on deaf ears if the community doesn't give a sh-t about anything other than throttling teams 1/2 to 1/4 our size in basketball. And still losing to schools that size in divisional and state tournaments. But, we're going to get a huge wake up call here pretty quick. The state is going to bump us up into the next class if our enrollment keeps increasing. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 16, 2011 8:06:31 GMT -6
6'6 centers in high school basketball are a dime a dozen... 6'6 wide recievers in high school football are a little more rare and PROBABLY have a better shot of a scholarship That's my arguement al lthe time with thoses kids that are on the fence. I also ALWAYS tell them to play both...don't specialize. Enjoy your HS experience by playing as many competitive sports as you can. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 16, 2011 8:23:59 GMT -6
I have been battling basketball for two years now. Honestly, I don't chase down those kids that are on the fence anymore. I tell them that playing all high school sports will help them improve but that's it.
I don't want to deal with them if they're so friggin concerned about getting hurt and not being able to play basketball. If they come out on their own accord, great. If not, then I know people are in the ear and they will be a pain in my a$$ all year.
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Post by superpower on Sept 16, 2011 8:32:03 GMT -6
I am blessed to be in a school where the coaches support each other and each other's programs. It doesn't hurt that the track coach, baseball coach, and wrestling coach are all on my staff; and the basketball coach was for 2 years.
We have a 6'5, 193 lb junior TE who this summer already received a basketball offer from a juco. Well, this fall he is getting recruiting stuff from Notre Dame - for football!
Our best basketball and baseball players are football players, and our kids like to compete year round. We are blessed.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 16, 2011 8:36:22 GMT -6
Also, I haven't pandered to the basketball kids at all and we doubled our numbers this year. We actually have more kids out for football than most teams in our conference. Now, whether or not my staff and I can get those kids to play hard for a full game remains to be seen.  |
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Post by coachwaz on Sept 16, 2011 8:36:54 GMT -6
Our entire basketball coaching staff is also on the football staff (including me). Most of our bballers play football, and if they dont they are usually begging to come out by their junior year. Our kids are not i and me kids, they are kids from a very poor section of the city who just want a group to be a part of. I would never not encourage a kid to play another sport, we are all apart of the same school and the same family, It is selfish and ill sighted of any coach who does...Btw my all conference 6'5 240 pound power foward is starting at Mike for me tonight. Was not in our line up last week and will be a huge help for us this week..also our conf now allows kids to play 2 sports in one season. We have 2 kickers from the soccer team, one brazillian one mexican. It has bridged a gap between the teams. Our kids love them and the soccer team shows up with drums and vuvazelas at our games now..it is crazy!!
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Post by turney on Sept 17, 2011 20:47:36 GMT -6
Well I have to say that more than anything it has to do with relationships. If the head FB coach builds relationships with the bball kids, then eventually they will play. It's ALL about RELATIONSHIPS.
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