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Post by 19delta on Sept 5, 2011 11:23:57 GMT -6
Camden County HS is running a lot of dub-tight, dub-wing Wing-T.
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Post by JVD on Sept 5, 2011 11:52:26 GMT -6
I'm watching right now....looks good.
Glenville with 13 penalties in the first 1/2!!
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Post by k on Sept 5, 2011 12:42:43 GMT -6
I've been watching a little while doing other stuff around the house but there wing offense isn't like most wing offenses we see here. Looks closer to the I offenses we see than the wing offenses up here despite the formations.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 5, 2011 12:46:48 GMT -6
I've been watching a little while doing other stuff around the house but there wing offense isn't like most wing offenses we see here. Looks closer to the I offenses we see than the wing offenses up here despite the formations. Lots of belly but they are also having a ton of success with trap and what looks like off-tackle power. Also liked the tackle-over formation they were using. |
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Post by k on Sept 5, 2011 12:53:06 GMT -6
I've been watching a little while doing other stuff around the house but there wing offense isn't like most wing offenses we see here. Looks closer to the I offenses we see than the wing offenses up here despite the formations. Lots of belly but they are also having a ton of success with trap and what looks like off-tackle power. Also liked the tackle-over formation they were using. I haven't seen buck/trap/waggle once yet but seen a bunch of ISO and power. To be fair though I'm mostly painting my den. |
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 5, 2011 13:03:33 GMT -6
They've had bucksweep going along with power. I'm more curious about wtf it is that Glenville is trying to do with their defense. Some extremely unsound fronts getting rolled out there...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 13:30:15 GMT -6
To me, it seems like they've run a lot of bucksweep but its hitting more offtackle than outside. That could depend on the defensive alignment too, though. Decent amount of Counter/Sally too.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Sept 5, 2011 14:02:20 GMT -6
They are running classic bucksweep and a lot of it. Their base offense looks like Bucksweep, trap, Power, Sally, Belly. Also some Jet and Rocket. I have seen them play and met Coach herron. Their bread and butter looks like Bucksweep and Power.
Glennville had some great players but they had some serious deficiencies in special teams, discipline, and focus.
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 5, 2011 16:49:24 GMT -6
FB gets to 2nd level fast, and Gs are excellent pullers. Very fun to watch for a coach.
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Post by jlt on Sept 6, 2011 5:49:01 GMT -6
Anyone get a recording of the game?
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Post by dazzleox on Sept 6, 2011 11:17:15 GMT -6
ESPN3.com
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 6, 2011 12:49:22 GMT -6
Lots of belly but they are also having a ton of success with trap and what looks like off-tackle power. Also liked the tackle-over formation they were using. I haven't seen buck/trap/waggle once yet but seen a bunch of ISO and power. To be fair though I'm mostly painting my den. Just watched the first drive, and first scoring drive of Camden. Rocket, Jet, Trap, Buck, Down out of Tackle Over, and Sally gashed them for the first score. Haven't seen any double tight yet. Mostly Red/Blue, and some offset FB. If you watch the FB, they cheat him up on Rocket to get a better path for the ball carrier. |
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Post by coachorr on Sept 6, 2011 12:50:41 GMT -6
Delaware wing-t bucksweep is meant to hit off-tackle.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 6, 2011 13:08:04 GMT -6
Delaware wing-t bucksweep is meant to hit off-tackle. Not necessarily. It is suppossed to hit off the down block by the wing back. Camden County was not blocking down with wingback from what little I saw. They looked to be sending him to a LB and letting the guard KO the 9 tech, which is usually down blocked by the wingback. The play they were running is many times called sweep "short" or even "lag." Nothing wrong with how they run it, but most wing-t teams would say that you would down block that guy and go outside him. |
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 6, 2011 13:15:50 GMT -6
2nd TD by Camden was double tight Buck. The WB blocked down on standup player lined up in the gap on the LOS (outside of the TE). FSG pulled and looked like he wanted to log the guy the WB had blocked down on, chipped him and went up to next level.
The first Buck they ran earlier was to the split side.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Sept 6, 2011 18:48:39 GMT -6
Camden one of the best Wing T teams in the nation. They paid for whoever the guy who ran the Delaware Wing T to come down and install the offense.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 6, 2011 19:50:11 GMT -6
With all those athletes, I can only imagine how good they would be if they ran the spread---- SARCASM OFF!!!
-- I am not a wing T guru, but it looked like they were running a decent amount of GUT as well?
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Post by dvo45 on Sept 7, 2011 7:26:33 GMT -6
They've had bucksweep going along with power. I'm more curious about wtf it is that Glenville is trying to do with their defense. Some extremely unsound fronts getting rolled out there... What I have had people tell me about Glenville is if they ever got some real coaching they would be real good... Athletes...athletes...athletes... |
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Post by 2leegit on Sept 7, 2011 9:42:56 GMT -6
TRUE!!
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Post by dazzleox on Sept 7, 2011 12:14:18 GMT -6
"The play they were running is many times called sweep "short" or even "lag."
Is this something the offense can adjust to at the line (calling it "short" or "long" depending on defensive alignment?)
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 7, 2011 13:04:06 GMT -6
"The play they were running is many times called sweep "short" or even "lag." Is this something the offense can adjust to at the line (calling it "short" or "long" depending on defensive alignment?) Is "short" the same as 122 Gut? |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 7, 2011 19:46:49 GMT -6
"The play they were running is many times called sweep "short" or even "lag." Is this something the offense can adjust to at the line (calling it "short" or "long" depending on defensive alignment?) Is "short" the same as 122 Gut? yes |
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 7, 2011 20:08:35 GMT -6
Is "short" the same as 122 Gut? yes What alignment make it go vs 121? |
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Post by wingtoc on Sept 8, 2011 5:53:48 GMT -6
We were running bucksweep to the weakside where they removed their force player. Standard bucksweep out of red and blue as well as two te's
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Post by silkyice on Sept 8, 2011 9:52:34 GMT -6
What alignment make it go vs 121? On 121 the wingback down blocks (and TE and WT) and the guard kicks out the first thing outside that block. On 122, the wingback blocks a LB. The TE (and WT) still down block, so the guard kicks out the first thing outside the TE block. From what little I saw, (which I said in my earlier post), it looked like they were running 122(in Delaware terminology). I didn't see the whole game. There is nothing wrong with 122 or 121. I certainly am not in a position to tell Camden County how to run the buck sweep. |
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 8, 2011 10:20:31 GMT -6
What alignment make it go vs 121? On 121 the wingback down blocks (and TE and WT) and the guard kicks out the first thing outside that block. On 122, the wingback blocks a LB. The TE (and WT) still down block, so the guard kicks out the first thing outside the TE block. From what little I saw, (which I said in my earlier post), it looked like they were running 122(in Delaware terminology). I didn't see the whole game. There is nothing wrong with 122 or 121. I certainly am not in a position to tell Camden County how to run the buck sweep. I guess it's just depends on the look they give you, and how they're playing the buck as to which one, or how you run it. My understanding of 122 Gut, is the FSG "guts" around the TE for a LB, and the BSG pulls inside out. But, like everything, there could be adjustments to it. 2 ways to run the same backfield action, and put the DE in conflict. "Am I being down blocked, or kicked out?" All good stuff really, and I like watching Camden run it. Thanks to whoever shared the espn3.com link. |
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 8, 2011 10:36:50 GMT -6
Also noticed on one Buck Sweep early in the game that they ran to the split side, the W did "try" to block down, and whiffed. His man blew the play up.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 8, 2011 11:26:47 GMT -6
On 121 the wingback down blocks (and TE and WT) and the guard kicks out the first thing outside that block. On 122, the wingback blocks a LB. The TE (and WT) still down block, so the guard kicks out the first thing outside the TE block. From what little I saw, (which I said in my earlier post), it looked like they were running 122(in Delaware terminology). I didn't see the whole game. There is nothing wrong with 122 or 121. I certainly am not in a position to tell Camden County how to run the buck sweep. My understanding of 122 Gut, is the FSG "guts" around the TE for a LB, and the BSG pulls inside out. But, like everything, there could be adjustments to it. You are exactly right. That is how Delaware runs there 122 gut. I was speaking to how I thought Camden Co. was running it. My mistake. |
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Post by Coach JR on Sept 8, 2011 11:33:05 GMT -6
My understanding of 122 Gut, is the FSG "guts" around the TE for a LB, and the BSG pulls inside out. But, like everything, there could be adjustments to it. You are exactly right. That is how Delaware runs there 122 gut. I was speaking to how I thought Camden Co. was running it. My mistake. No mistake, just conversation. I was trying to watch it, but running it back and forth on the computer is a bit cumbersome. Thanks for the input. |
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Post by mojoben on Sept 8, 2011 12:22:31 GMT -6
Right now on FCS PA they have the Bellevue vs. Oak Christian replay on. Of course Bellevue runs the Wing-T.
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