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Post by flexoption91 on Sept 1, 2011 10:12:38 GMT -6
Coaches I am at my second school and have had the same problem at both places. Like any school we want to get a good look but also want to avoid injuries as much as possible. Whenever we go thud speed everything turns to crap. We define thud as wrap up but do not take to the ground.
The problems we run into are: - proper tackling technique is no where to be found because kids are not exploding through the guy and keeping their feet - up front the o-line and the d-line are playing patty cake because of the perception we are going less than full speed - execution is terrible on both sides
Anyone else run into this issue? If so, do you have any fixes?
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Post by silkyice on Sept 1, 2011 11:25:11 GMT -6
Offensive solution: go full speed against bags. Works great.
Defensive solution: Not sure I have one. You need to almost go full speed or walk thru pace. Anything else is tough. We do go thud, and do have problems. You just have to keep working on it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 1, 2011 11:44:22 GMT -6
i hate it. defensive coaches yelling 'get to the ball!', offensive coaches yelling 'stay up! stay up!'
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 1, 2011 11:53:06 GMT -6
i hate it. defensive coaches yelling 'get to the ball!', offensive coaches yelling 'stay up! stay up!'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 11:57:03 GMT -6
No.
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Post by fullhouseo on Sept 1, 2011 12:07:53 GMT -6
What we do is we plan to tackle to the ground, our problem is that our 1s are so much better than our scout team. We tell them it's tackle but will have a quick whistle and blow the play dead in anticipation of a big hit. This gets kids running full speed and doesn't develop bad habits.
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Post by calkayne on Sept 1, 2011 15:57:48 GMT -6
I have had issues with this and am constantly having to remind the players that they are still going b@lls to the wall to GATA.
The problem was that in years previous there was this Walkthrough, 50%, 70%+ thing the coaches gave as a measure of effort to be given. This leaves cultural scars.
As a result I broke the tackling down into distinct phases and reduced tempo to Walk Through, Thud and Full Tempo. This helped a great deal, especially at the Line where they then continued to go b@lls to the wall. But for the rest, it took a little while longer, it was easier for the new players to adjust.
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Post by airman on Sept 1, 2011 16:31:34 GMT -6
go over to the tack, get the high jump and pole value pits. get hadar scrimmage shields. have a player stand in front of the pit holding the scrimmage shield in front of him. have the defensive player get in his stance and take 3 to 5 steps tackling the player into the pit. you can also do it from the side the player just holds the scrimmage shield on the side covering up hip/ribs area.
this is also how we train our qbs to defeat the blitz in their face. qb takes 5 step drop, the defensive player carries the scrimmage shield and blitzs up the middle and hits the qb who falls into the high jump it. qb gets to know what it is like to get rid of the ball in a hurry on the hot read and to take a hit. we do it from the blind side as well.
we do this with receivers as well this is a big collision but it is worth it. oh, never had a player get hurt. kids like it because of the big hits.
it is also how the defense teaches tackling progressions at all levels. you start with just lifting a player into the pit using proper tackling technique. I also would say get kevin bullis tackling videos from coaches choice. he really knows how to teach tackling. never had a player get hurt. if you want to really learn how to take it easy but go hard i suggest you hire bill williams of the FCPGA. he has the best tackling progressions which go full speed for both defense and special teams. on offense he teaches your lineman how to block at full speed. even how to cut a player properly in the box.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 2, 2011 7:38:59 GMT -6
Simulate all you want, I still think you need to have live tacklling on the two full gear days during team periods. No quick whistle no thud no form up stay up crap. I get outvoted on this. I also think Live Oklahoma drill every day in pads in a great thing for blocking and tackling and in my book those are the two things needed to be successful.
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Post by fantom on Sept 2, 2011 8:09:44 GMT -6
We don't have the problem. I don't understand why the linemen would think that it affects them if you don't take the back to the ground. It seems that all you'd need is for one a$$hole (and I mean that in the good way) on the DL to ramp it up and embarrass a couple OL and things should be fun again up there.
BTW, do you film practice?
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Post by coachcb on Sept 2, 2011 8:17:00 GMT -6
I have never gone 'thud' in the past but have been forced to the last two years. Our numbers are just too low and we don't have depth. I can't risk someone getting hurt or we're in really, really bad shape.
But, with that being said, we still go full tilt in the trenches. We just 'thud-up' on the back in tackling situations.
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Post by flexoption91 on Sept 2, 2011 9:40:04 GMT -6
We don't have the problem. I don't understand why the linemen would think that it affects them if you don't take the back to the ground. It seems that all you'd need is for one a$$hole (and I mean that in the good way) on the DL to ramp it up and embarrass a couple OL and things should be fun again up there. BTW, do you film practice? We do not film practice and if there is one thing that I will do when I get an HC job it will be that. For me it is not even as much about the line as it is about the lack of execution everywhere else. Even though I feel they are playing patty cake up front they are getting after it more than anywhere else. For me thud involves stopping your feet on contact because when the kids drive their feet more times than not they are going to take the kid to the ground. Thud also lends itself to shoulder tackles and no explosion. So I guess my biggest concern is working the "tackling" aspect of thud. Of course it would also be nice if we had that a$$hole up front you are referring to.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 2, 2011 9:47:45 GMT -6
We go full-bore up front, no matter what. We block and shed the way we normally would.
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Post by TMGPG on Sept 2, 2011 12:24:35 GMT -6
We go a very fast thud tempo. We tell them that no one goes to the ground but that doesn't always happen. We tell them to wrap up and swarm the ball. We do a lot of tackling drills during practice so I guess that helps with tackling.
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Post by airman on Sept 3, 2011 13:02:13 GMT -6
how do you guys who go full speed and are stand up over the season? I know i am different because i believe in the pass first and run second so i approach practice a lot differently. I have found as a passing coach who used to be a run first coach we do not have nearly the soft tissue injuries as a passing team and we can go full speed all the time. we only wear full pads one day (wednesday) other day sat,mon, tue and thurs day we are helmets and shoulder pads.
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Post by macdiiddy on Sept 3, 2011 22:23:39 GMT -6
how do you guys who go full speed and are stand up over the season? I know i am different because i believe in the pass first and run second so i approach practice a lot differently. I have found as a passing coach who used to be a run first coach we do not have nearly the soft tissue injuries as a passing team and we can go full speed all the time. we only wear full pads one day (wednesday) other day sat,mon, tue and thurs day we are helmets and shoulder pads. Thud tempo is NORMALLY not a problem, we just tell them live to the tackle (even though it does end up going to the ground every other play) However any time we try to do helmet and shoulder pads, we get the results of what you are talking about "patty cake" up front.
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