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Post by dubber on Mar 31, 2007 12:09:32 GMT -6
I want to hear the best and worst plays you've ever seen/ran/CALLED that were drawn up in the dirt.
You know, during a timeout, a coach gets fancy......
My Best: A TB pass before halftime that went for a TD-----never repped it in practice. (this one is from my playing days)
My worst: A jet sweep HB pass.....in sectional......4th quarter....to win........interception
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Post by Yash on Mar 31, 2007 12:30:47 GMT -6
We drew up a HB toss pass last year in the playoffs, worked except the WR dropped it, perfect pass. Gotta love having baseball players playing TB. Still won the game by 2 TDs.
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Post by phantom on Mar 31, 2007 12:31:29 GMT -6
We were playing a Wing-T team who ran a little bit of spread. They junked the Wing T and came out 100% spread gun in the week before they played us. Since we were prepped for Wing-T they lit us up. We put in Man-under, C.2 Man on the sideline. The problem was that a lot of our guys were on the field playing offense so I had to tell guys, "Tell Johny to tell Joey to cover #2". Incredibly, it worked.
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Post by bluecrazy on Mar 31, 2007 13:06:30 GMT -6
I did not draw up in the sand, but I told my Q.B. to keep the ball on a naked boot one time, when I seen the D-end go way inside. Nobody knew the Q.B. was going to keep it, except him and me. It worked great for 12 yard pick up. Everyone else was running the play called, made for a great fake. bluecrazy
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Post by dubber on Mar 31, 2007 16:29:40 GMT -6
I did not draw up in the sand, but I told my Q.B. to keep the ball on a naked boot one time, when I seen the D-end go way inside. Nobody knew the Q.B. was going to keep it, except him and me. It worked great for 12 yard pick up. Everyone else was running the play called, made for a great fake. bluecrazy I see you are from Michigan......that wouldn't be the old Dead-T power boot would it? We kill teams on that. Favorite 2-point play |
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Post by coachcalande on Mar 31, 2007 17:05:03 GMT -6
I want to hear the best and worst plays you've ever seen/ran/CALLED that were drawn up in the dirt. You know, during a timeout, a coach gets fancy...... My Best: A TB pass before halftime that went for a TD-----never repped it in practice. (this one is from my playing days) My worst: A jet sweep HB pass.....in sectional......4th quarter....to win........interception DOUBLE DIVE KEEP AND FOLLOW FAKE TO FIRST MAN, FAKE TO SECOND MAN, KEEP AND FOLLOW THRU A HUGE HOLE FOR AN 80 YARD SCORE. WE WIN. |
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 31, 2007 17:15:07 GMT -6
Best: HB Option. We had not put it in yet in practice but I knew the TB could throw it. So we ran the play. He completed the pass for a 15 yard gain which set up a game tying TD.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 31, 2007 20:01:50 GMT -6
during my freshman year of high school, we just scored a touchdown with no time left on the clock. so the score is 7-6 them for the city championship when coach calls a timeout. Our kicker and our holder both spit time at QB. Our DC drew up a fake PAT with all eligible receivers going to different parts of the endzone on his hand. QB never threw the ball, tried to take it in himself. we lost 7-6.
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 31, 2007 21:26:27 GMT -6
LOL, off the topic a bit but how fair is it to "draw it up in the dirt" to the kids who must execute it? Nothing personal but that's just piss poor preperation if you ask me. A coach should have a few special plays for those situations and practice them like any other plays. In 23 years I've never done it- in fact I've never even thought about it.
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Post by cc on Apr 1, 2007 0:42:02 GMT -6
I remember in week 2 pre-game our HC told the holder and kicker that if there was a problem with the FG / XP exchange that the holder should try to run and if he could not get away he should flip it to the kicker who could then throw or run.
I was like damn have we not practiced the fire drill and as if they are going to do all that.
Sure enough...same game....2nd q. Bad snap. Holder takes off. Getting tackled flips to kicker, he leans back and tosses TD pass to TE in endzone. BLEW MY MIND!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 1, 2007 8:37:58 GMT -6
I am with ajreaper on this one. The only exception would be the "Hey, qb, just keep it" or some type of adjustment within the framework of the play. To just come up with something unpracticed is..well, it is what it is, and I will not throw stones.
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Post by phantom on Apr 1, 2007 8:52:16 GMT -6
LOL, off the topic a bit but how fair is it to "draw it up in the dirt" to the kids who must execute it? Nothing personal but that's just {censored} poor preperation if you ask me. A coach should have a few special plays for those situations and practice them like any other plays. In 23 years I've never done it- in fact I've never even thought about it. I agree. You have to give a lot of leeway to the kids in these situations. I also agree that good coaches are well-prepared and don't have these situations often. In my 28 years of coaching, though, I've found that things happen. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 1, 2007 8:56:46 GMT -6
LOL, off the topic a bit but how fair is it to "draw it up in the dirt" to the kids who must execute it? Nothing personal but that's just {censored} poor preperation if you ask me. A coach should have a few special plays for those situations and practice them like any other plays. In 23 years I've never done it- in fact I've never even thought about it. good point ... and if you remember some of the conversations about a passing tree, one of the top reasons why it was 'better' than concept names was so a coach could "call unlimited pass plays" at any time. yet, if you have never practiced it, isn't that reallly 'drawing in the dirt?' ... i digress, but ... there will almost always be some type of 'drawing in the dirt' in every game. as in, "hey, scott, on the post route, set that safety up by breaking corner for 3 steps" ... or "tell the fullback to cheat over on power from now on" ... basically things you really haven't worked on, but not completely new ideas. those things happen quite often. it is when you start getting into completely new plays ( "ok, we are gonna do this, OL, block zone, Z you go in motion, TB, fake toss ... blah, blah" ) where you get into that area where chances for success of this new play are probably much less than the success of a play you have already been running or one that you have installed and practiced already. |
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Post by ajreaper on Apr 1, 2007 9:16:32 GMT -6
Coach I agree completely- but having a single indivdual alter slightly what he's doing is not really drawing it up in the dirt in my mind. You are most likely simply having them do something he's practiced before- stemming a route a bit harder, changing up a block a bit- take #3 inside if #2 is 6+ yards off the LOS, off tackle play gets bumped wider vs. a 7 tech DE as we'll have the TE down block etc. I would think most of these are things you practice and plan for knowing the most common types of wrinkles you are likely to see. I guess part of it is what you consider drawing it up in the dirt amounts to.
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 1, 2007 9:24:28 GMT -6
We threw a TB sweep pass from the 2 yd line. There was a couple seconds left on the clock before halftime so we only had one play. We told the line to make sure they didn't get downfield. Told the WR to go to the back corner of the end zone and told the TB to read the CB. Our TB got to the edge and the CB came up and he lobbed it right over the top.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 1, 2007 9:26:51 GMT -6
I think what Huey describes would fall under the heading of "In-Game Adjustments" and not "drawing it up in the dirt". For me, "drawing it up in the dirt" means designing a play or defense on the fly (kind of like a DC drawing up a play on his hand) that really has no practical chance of working. Heard a clinic speaker talk about a head coach he had who made him take a time out, go out on the field, and install a 4-3 CII defense in 30 seconds (they were a base 5-3 CI/CIII team). It was a real shocker when the very next play after that "adjustment" was a 60-yard TD pass to the TE right down the middle of the field.  |
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Post by dubber on Apr 1, 2007 20:37:12 GMT -6
I was watching some college all-star game (I think it was in HW), and the OC drew up the two point conversion in the dirt......he just lined them up in a trips look and drew up the routes. They won.
Now, if you try to go out there and draw up the double reverse flea-flicker, you're going to get killed, but you can get away with some simple stuff you've never practiced before.
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Post by Yash on Apr 1, 2007 21:54:46 GMT -6
My JV team practiced the trick plays as much as we practiced our base plays. The Varsity coach gave me some crap about it, but on 4th and goal from the 15, the double reverse pass back to the QB went for a TD. Ala Nebraska vs Oklahoma TD to eric crouch in 2001.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 2, 2007 0:03:43 GMT -6
2001. We need the win to get in to the playoffs. We are ground-pounding-smash-mouthing 2TE power wishbone... they are spread gun. Halftime score is 41-35. Going in to the 4th QR, we are down 56-49... 10 min. drive ties it at 56.
OT they score (easily... nothing different from the rest of the night)
we score... 62-63 PAT coming... we go for 2.
Now we had worked on this... Option from a Pro set- flanker blocks the CB and if he gets beat- he is to run to the corner of the end-zone for a desperation pass.
So we run Pro Rt. 24 Option (right).
If we give, we score (QB pulls)
And then pitches to TB who has 3 defenders closing in. TB catches pitch at 5... running lateral (btw, TB is a lefty). At the 4, he is being brought down... just before his knee touches, he throws underhanded to the SE (who was a kid who played about 4-5 plays a game), who didn't hold his block on the CB at all... and the SE catches the ball at the 1/2 yd. line. The FS hits him as he dives across the goal line... PAT GOOD!. We win 64-63, and get in to the playoffs.
Both teams combined for 1498 yards... an all-time record in Colorado. It also set the scoring record for points between two teams in class 5A.
In addition to our "dirt play" for the win... we had this:
After the game, I asked our DC what we did in the 4th qr to stop them the one time we did stop them. He scribbled up a front with some LBs and DBs... I said "what the hell is that"
He said " We called it: 'DO THIS".
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Post by phantom on Apr 2, 2007 2:05:48 GMT -6
Sheesh, Bluto, you writing a movie script?
It's easy to be smug and say that "you should have coached that" but stuff does happen. There are times when it's painfully obvious that the game plan is inadequate and that you will lose unless you make a radical change soon. If it happens more than 3 or 4 times during your career then you're probably not game-planning properly. If it never happens, you're a lucky man.
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Post by dubber on Apr 2, 2007 6:22:31 GMT -6
I said "what the hell is that" He said " We called it: 'DO THIS". lol, thanks for making my morning |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 2, 2007 9:09:07 GMT -6
Sheesh, Bluto, you writing a movie script?
There was actually a lot more weirdness in that game that I left out. Truth is stranger than fiction I guess...
Most of my life is in the bizarro world... seems fitting a lot of our games are too...
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 2, 2007 9:36:10 GMT -6
Years ago in my first season as a coach, I was a JV OC in the birds nest on Friday nights spotting for Varsity. The Varsity OC then was RUN, RUN and then pass if they needed it. Well, usually they needed it on 3rd and 10. They were Wing T based with a TE/WB and SE/SB alignment mostly. There main pass play other than Boot was to motion the WB to trips and sprint to the wide side. It was a good play but they didn't do anything off the motion across the formation except trap, so it was dead give away that Sprint Pass was coming when it was long yardage.....So, every defense that they faced would rotate the secondary HARD to the trips side and over play the sprintout. I'm up in the nest watching this so at half time I begged and pleaded with the OC to let me make an adjustment. I swore up and down that if it didn't go all the way for a TD that I'd shut up and forever hold my peace. (Thats a BIG promise coming from me!) Answer, NO. Again, NO. After the halftime break he's thought about it for a minute and processed the idea and calls me, the QB and the SB over. We go over it on the board real quick and Sprint Throwback is Born! We motion, sprintout, QB pulls up and hits the SB (#3 receiver) on a two count delayed throwback drag. It goes for about 60 yards, the kid got ran down by a faster kid. It was a huge play in a tight game so luckily I wasn't held to my commitment to shut up. It's a play that has stayed in my playbook since then and has been a backbreaker against teams that over play the sprintout. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 2, 2007 9:44:09 GMT -6
Bluto....is tackling illegal in Colorado?  |
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Post by dubber on Apr 2, 2007 10:33:25 GMT -6
Years ago in my first season as a coach, I was a JV OC in the birds nest on Friday nights spotting for Varsity. The Varsity OC then was RUN, RUN and then pass if they needed it. Well, usually they needed it on 3rd and 10. They were Wing T based with a TE/WB and SE/SB alignment mostly. There main pass play other than Boot was to motion the WB to trips and sprint to the wide side. It was a good play but they didn't do anything off the motion across the formation except trap, so it was dead give away that Sprint Pass was coming when it was long yardage.....So, every defense that they faced would rotate the secondary HARD to the trips side and over play the sprintout. I'm up in the nest watching this so at half time I begged and pleaded with the OC to let me make an adjustment. I swore up and down that if it didn't go all the way for a TD that I'd shut up and forever hold my peace. (Thats a BIG promise coming from me!) Answer, NO. Again, NO. After the halftime break he's thought about it for a minute and processed the idea and calls me, the QB and the SB over. We go over it on the board real quick and Sprint Throwback is Born! We motion, sprintout, QB pulls up and hits the SB (#3 receiver) on a two count delayed throwback drag. It goes for about 60 yards, the kid got ran down by a faster kid. It was a huge play in a tight game so luckily I wasn't held to my commitment to shut up. It's a play that has stayed in my playbook since then and has been a backbreaker against teams that over play the sprintout. This is what I'm talking about! |
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Post by ajreaper on Apr 2, 2007 11:00:01 GMT -6
LOL, senator- with a playoff game on the line what is the SE who plays only 4-5 snaps a game doing on the field? That gutsy right there.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 2, 2007 11:05:56 GMT -6
AJ, don't stop him, he's on a roll, it wasn't fair when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor......LETS DO IT,,,,aaaaahhhhhhh.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 2, 2007 12:36:23 GMT -6
Bluto....is tackling illegal in Colorado?"If we didn't stop 'em, the goal line did." LOL, senator- with a playoff game on the line what is the SE who plays only 4-5 snaps a game doing on the field? That gutsy right there.We were usually 2TE... it was one of those "we need a Split"... he runs in the game. At the LOS I ask the receiver coach "who is in the game at flanker" "(says player's name)" "Oh s...!" After the game his mother came over to me, crying, saying "It's just like Rudy!" That is the honest to goodness truth. AJ, don't stop him, he's on a roll, it wasn't fair when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor......LETS DO IT,,,,aaaaahhhhhhh.  ...this situation calls for a futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part BLUTO: We're just the guys to do it.
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Post by ajreaper on Apr 2, 2007 14:05:39 GMT -6
LOL, Senator- I hear you and we've all been there, "who is that?!" and "Why in the heck is he out there?" Fortunately it all worked out and that kid has a lifetime memory he'll always savor.
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