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Post by ryan31374 on Aug 11, 2011 14:18:46 GMT -6
I was wondering if anyone can explain or show me how to run the who's ball drill. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 12, 2011 14:00:09 GMT -6
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Post by ryan31374 on Aug 12, 2011 18:16:44 GMT -6
thanks so much. that was awsome!
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Post by wingtol on Aug 12, 2011 19:54:06 GMT -6
Really?  Having two kids with out pads chase a ball 15 yards, dive on it, and fight for oh 3 mins over the ball while coaches scream at them. Great drill. Almost as good as the Executioner he has. Have kids stand with their hands behind their backs, line up tacklers 4-5 yards away and run full speed and tackle them. Another great fundamentally sound drill. |
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 12, 2011 20:39:39 GMT -6
His methods might be a bit more aggressive than most, but it's hard to argue with his results.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2011 20:42:53 GMT -6
His methods might be a bit more aggressive than most, but it's hard to argue with his results. You could say the same about Hitler and Stalin.... |
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 12, 2011 20:48:51 GMT -6
His methods might be a bit more aggressive than most, but it's hard to argue with his results. You could say the same about Hitler and Stalin.... Well, that's a bit of a jump, isn't it? We're comparing winning football games and championships (which everyone here wants to do) with genocide?  |
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 12, 2011 20:53:55 GMT -6
think coachd's point was... to what extent does the end justify the means? i.e. "can't argue with results"... maybe not, but someone very well could argue with the method by which those results were achieved.
the results weren't what was being questioned (from what i am assuming). it was the validity of this specific drill vs other drills for teaching similar techniques.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Aug 12, 2011 21:05:33 GMT -6
Looks a little too much like the 35 second mark of this video...
have fun explaining that one to mom and dad...well, Vince McMahon thought it was a good idea...
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 12, 2011 21:07:20 GMT -6
I see where you're coming from... but...
I think these drills are more about aggression and intensity, as opposed to technique. I'm not sure other, more common, drills can accomplish the same thing, and I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't rely on drills like "the executioner" to teach technique.
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Post by fantom on Aug 12, 2011 21:27:59 GMT -6
Who is this guy? How old are those kids?
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 12, 2011 21:33:49 GMT -6
Who is this guy? How old are those kids? Coach Potter - A head coach since 1999, his teams have won ten Consolidated Football Federation championships since 2000, have gone undefeated eight times and have won 91 of their last 94 conference games dating back to 1999. Five times in the past eight years, his teams have finished in the “Top 16” football teams in the nation. His teams have had two winning streaks longer than thirty games; a 33-consecutive game winning streak from 1999-2003 and a 34-consecutive game winning streak from 2005-2009. His teams were undefeated at their home field of Lowes Grove for all twelve seasons as a head coach. ... his teams have had 44 "Academic All-Americans." khshawksfootball.com/HEAD_COACH.html |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2011 21:42:32 GMT -6
You could say the same about Hitler and Stalin.... Well, that's a bit of a jump, isn't it? We're comparing winning football games and championships (which everyone here wants to do) with genocide? Actually, it would be comparing winning football games and championships with building national pride and power. Those are the objectives. The methods would include having 2 kids run, dive on the ground and fight each other for the ball without equipment while a coach yells and screams and the remaining kids stand around doing nothing and the aforementioned genocide. Huey was spot on in his analysis. Bear Bryant won a bunch of ball games,but that doesn't make many of his practices, especially early in his career (denial of water and such) sensible. |
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Post by tog on Aug 12, 2011 21:50:30 GMT -6
think coachd's point was... to what extent does the end justify the means? i.e. "can't argue with results"... maybe not, but someone very well could argue with the method by which those results were achieved. the results weren't what was being questioned (from what i am assuming). it was the validity of this specific drill vs other drills for teaching similar techniques. Huey, you have a way with words brotha. I was just going to say that the video was stupid.  |
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Post by ryan31374 on Aug 13, 2011 6:41:55 GMT -6
I appologize to everyone for my post. I thought the "who's ball" drill was good because I havn't seen it before and it would be something new for the kids. I also thought it looked fun. Does anyone have any other versions of this drill they would like to share? thanks.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 13, 2011 8:59:55 GMT -6
I've used a drill where the players go after a ball. We used to put the ball between two players who laid down on their back with their head towards the ball (just a couple of inches). At the whistle they had to get up and recover the fumble. Once the ball was recovered the whistle blew again. It did teach aggressiveness but also quickness, and we never had an injury because the kids didn't get a running start or fight non-stop for 10 minutes.
But I also don't think it was that useful. Would rather focus on learning actual football.
Also, what does it mean to have 44 academic all-americans at the junior high level?
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 13, 2011 9:36:23 GMT -6
I appologize to everyone for my post. I thought the "who's ball" drill was good because I havn't seen it before and it would be something new for the kids. I also thought it looked fun. Does anyone have any other versions of this drill they would like to share? thanks. Well, there's a whole contingent of coaches who believe the "whose ball is it?" drill is something good, and I think a lot of kids think it is fun.. Just be sure to do a lot of your own research, read up about different drills, and tailor them to your kids, your league, your coaching style and your scheme/philosophy. Outside of teaching the fundamentals, what works for you might not work for the next guy, or vice versa. |
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Post by tbelding on Aug 13, 2011 15:33:46 GMT -6
This is how I felt after watching the video. Is this real life?
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Post by tog on Aug 13, 2011 16:24:53 GMT -6
year of the bull for jr hi kids
not something our profession needs
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Post by bighit65 on Aug 13, 2011 20:21:23 GMT -6
I've never seen John Malkovich that fired up before. This video also makes me wonder how they made him look so big in "Of Mice and Men."
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Post by wingtol on Aug 14, 2011 9:16:53 GMT -6
I see where you're coming from... but... I think these drills are more about aggression and intensity, as opposed to technique. I'm not sure other, more common, drills can accomplish the same thing, and I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't rely on drills like "the executioner" to teach technique. I would have to say yes that other more common drills can accomplish the same thing. When kids are sound fundamentally it increases their confidence on the field and allows them to play more aggressive and have more confidence in themselves. I also really do not understand why you do drills that do not teach technique. |
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Post by johnnycam on Aug 14, 2011 9:46:57 GMT -6
I see where you're coming from... but... I think these drills are more about aggression and intensity, as opposed to technique. I'm not sure other, more common, drills can accomplish the same thing, and I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't rely on drills like "the executioner" to teach technique. I would have to say yes that other more common drills can accomplish the same thing. When kids are sound fundamentally it increases their confidence on the field and allows them to play more aggressive and have more confidence in themselves. I also really do not understand why you do drills that do not teach technique. I'll have to disagree. You can teach a kid to tackle perfectly, and that's something I think every coach strives to do, but that doesn't guarantee that the kid will be aggressive on the field. Far from it... Kids at the youth level don't have confidence in their tackling technique. They have confidence because they've tackled a million times in practice... and it's up to the coach to make sure those tackles are done with proper technique. As for why you would do drills that don't teach technique - I would first say that while all drills might not teach technique, I think they should, whenever possible, stress/reinforce technique. But, aside from that, I think there are certain intangibles that can't be taught strictly with technique. Things like aggression and intensity and discipline. Those qualities can't be taught as techniques (step a, step b, step c), but must be ingrained through repetition and situational drills. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Aug 14, 2011 12:10:14 GMT -6
Looks a little too much like the 35 second mark of this video... have fun explaining that one to mom and dad...well, Vince McMahon thought it was a good idea... So did I, and I thought of it independently. I thought that was one of the great innovations of the XFL, except that the way I wanted to do it would've had them coming from opposite directions. And in my version of indoor football, it would start with a neutral kickoff. The ball would be placed in the middle, and the teams would run out from gates at each end that would open automatically as in horse racing, and you couldn't play the ball with anything but the feet until another player did so. Whoever got possession, scrimmage from there. Our director of football operations, at the end of Pee Wee practice this past Thurs. (evaluation stations for players pre-draft, no pads or helmets), saved whose ball for dessert, it seems. I guess he wanted to have and be associated with the most fun, one of the perks of the position, I guess. He let them wrestle long, long after it would've been blown dead in a game. The kids loved it, of course. |
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Post by jrk5150 on Aug 14, 2011 16:46:17 GMT -6
I think that evaluating the coach or his techniques or style based on one drill is pretty poor. And fairly hypocritical based on other threads on this board.
Before someone starts spewing out of their butt-hole about what the coaching industry needs or doesn't need as it pertains to Dave Potter, maybe they should take a few minutes to research the totality and context of Dave Potter's success with the Durham Eagles.
All of those great W/L stats pale in comparison to what he's accomplished off the field with those kids.
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Post by coachtut on Aug 17, 2011 13:53:45 GMT -6
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about youth football knows that you must teach proper blocking and tackling. This is IMPOSSIBLE without getting the kids comfortable with contact.
That being said, I wouldn't do the who's ball drill without pads BUT it is a GREAT drill for getting the kids used to contact.
I think all of us want to throw up when we read, "How do I get my kids to be more aggressive?"
Lots of ways to skin a cat right?
The who's ball drill is one of those great drills IMO.
I am a little disappointed in some of you guys to be honest. The "holier than thou" attitude sucks.
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Post by mahonz on Aug 17, 2011 14:37:47 GMT -6
Forget everything Dave does on the field.
What he has accomplished off the field with the players is nothing short of amazing. Its humbling really considering the deomgraphics of his teams....and he does it all for free.
To compare his methods to Hilter? Really? I cant believe I just read that. That is the all time low blow...ever. Good for you.... "coach". Time for this thread to go bye bye.
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Post by coachtut on Aug 17, 2011 18:38:32 GMT -6
Forget everything Dave does on the field. What he has accomplished off the field with the players is nothing short of amazing. Its humbling really considering the deomgraphics of his teams....and he does it all for free. To compare his methods to Hilter? Really? I cant believe I just read that. That is the all time low blow...ever. Good for you.... "coach". Time for this thread to go bye bye. I whole-heartedly agree with you coach. This thread is quite possibly the worst one I have ever seen. Whether or not you agree with Coach Potters or anyone elses coaching I could really give a crap. We all do things our way and I would love to see some of the drills that you run that I think are "stupid". Only difference is, I am going to respect you as a "coach" and I am going to use "uncommon sense" and keep my mouth shut. Most coaches are here to get help. Most of you are doing the complete opposite. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 18, 2011 17:09:29 GMT -6
Forget everything Dave does on the field. What he has accomplished off the field with the players is nothing short of amazing. Its humbling really considering the deomgraphics of his teams....and he does it all for free. To compare his methods to Hilter? Really? I cant believe I just read that. That is the all time low blow...ever. Good for you.... "coach". Time for this thread to go bye bye. Reading comprehension. It is FUNdamental. But never let such a thing interfere with exacerbated sensationalism triggered by words. Also keep in mind Bear Bryant was mentioned in the same manner as Hitler and Stalin. And bear in mind that this thread originated in the general section , NOT the Youth section. Easy to see why many posters who frequent that part of the board would find such a drill inadequate. |
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Post by jrk5150 on Aug 18, 2011 21:21:20 GMT -6
Forget everything Dave does on the field. What he has accomplished off the field with the players is nothing short of amazing. Its humbling really considering the deomgraphics of his teams....and he does it all for free. To compare his methods to Hilter? Really? I cant believe I just read that. That is the all time low blow...ever. Good for you.... "coach". Time for this thread to go bye bye. Reading comprehension. It is FUNdamental. But never let such a thing interfere with exacerbated sensationalism triggered by words. Also keep in mind Bear Bryant was mentioned in the same manner as Hitler and Stalin. And bear in mind that this thread originated in the general section , NOT the Youth section. Easy to see why many posters who frequent that part of the board would find such a drill inadequate. LOL - if it was just about finding the drill inadequate, nobody would have said a word defending Dave Potter. Several posts attacked the coach specifically, not the drill. Or did you miss those posts in your reading comprehension exercise? |
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Post by mahonz on Aug 18, 2011 21:40:34 GMT -6
Forget everything Dave does on the field. What he has accomplished off the field with the players is nothing short of amazing. Its humbling really considering the deomgraphics of his teams....and he does it all for free. To compare his methods to Hilter? Really? I cant believe I just read that. That is the all time low blow...ever. Good for you.... "coach". Time for this thread to go bye bye. Reading comprehension. It is FUNdamental. But never let such a thing interfere with exacerbated sensationalism triggered by words. Also keep in mind Bear Bryant was mentioned in the same manner as Hitler and Stalin. And bear in mind that this thread originated in the general section , NOT the Youth section. Easy to see why many posters who frequent that part of the board would find such a drill inadequate. No explanation necessary...."coach". I stopped following your demeaning style of psychobabble about a thousand threads ago. Maybe now this thread can undergo a little genocide that it so richly deserves. |
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Having two kids with out pads chase a ball 15 yards, dive on it, and fight for oh 3 mins over the ball while coaches scream at them. Great drill. Almost as good as the Executioner he has. Have kids stand with their hands behind their backs, line up tacklers 4-5 yards away and run full speed and tackle them. Another great fundamentally sound drill. 
