nannother
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Post by nannother on Jun 22, 2006 16:52:10 GMT -6
We had a game where we were down 5 points with 1:30 left in the fourth quarter. It was third and one on their 10 yard line. The offensive coor called a play that was a shotgun formation dive. I wanted to tell him that it was too risky and that we should go under the center and dive or sneak, but I felt like it was his call to make. The dive went for no yards then he went the same formation and threw a hitch on fourth and one. There was a little bumping by the corner but the pass still hit the WR in the chest and he dropped it, game over. In my opinion there should have been a PI call, nevertheless the WR still should have caught it, but I really blame that on play calling. With 1:30 left we had plenty of time. Two qb sneaks would almost assure you a first down. I regret not saying anything, but as a defensive coor is it my place?
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Post by bulldog on Jun 22, 2006 18:11:11 GMT -6
would you want someone second guessing your play calling on the last series? . . . I stay out of the OC's hair, no matter what I think of his play calling. I will suggest things that I see in a constructive way - but never late in the game - and if he is in a zone, I shut up. The last thing I want the kids to see is me second guessing him at a critical point.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 22, 2006 18:38:21 GMT -6
have a brewski and talk it over...then put it behind you...focus on the next one. that keeps you guys tight. anyone can "arm chair qb" a coordinator.
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nannother
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Post by nannother on Jun 22, 2006 20:53:38 GMT -6
It was the playoffs. Those two plays were the last of the season. However, I do understand because I don't want people second guessing me either. But, again it was the playoffs and every game is a must win.
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Post by coachjolly on Jun 23, 2006 5:51:24 GMT -6
I have caught myself thinking the same types of things, but as said above. You don't want someone second guessing you. And the Ole Arm chair Quarterback stuff.
I have to believe that if someone, did it to me, I would not respond in a very nice way.
Bottom line is that we, AS PROFESSIONALS, have to support each other. ESPECIALY if we are on the same staff. If you start doubting each other, it shows in the heat of battle. The kids pick up on it, and then they start doubting the coaches....Then its all over.
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Post by blb on Jun 23, 2006 5:54:18 GMT -6
Never give advice to someone who hasn't asked for it. They won't take it and will resent you for it. This doesn't apply to just coaching.
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Post by coachveer on Jun 23, 2006 6:52:03 GMT -6
If you have any concerns take them to the HC thats his issue.
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Post by chiefscoach on Jun 23, 2006 7:14:51 GMT -6
Support his play call, especially in front of the players. The players will second guess they coaches, they have to fell as though the coaches are at least on the same page. I know for a fact that I'd hate the OC (from experience) telling me what to call and when to call it on Defense.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 23, 2006 12:38:34 GMT -6
what's the bible verse..."let he without sin cast the first stone"...
transalation to play-calling might be that if we truly are the most perfect of play-callers then i guess it would be ok to make the call for the other coordinator if we felt we had the answer......... HOWEVER, since this will never be the case, then i guess we should just shut up and let the other guy work... lol.
but, with that being said, we are a team and if there are concerns then we need to address them professionally and respectfully at the proper time & place -- in the office during the game planning portions, perhaps. otherwise, just gotta' trust the guys you work with.
personally, i really trust the guys i work with and often ask the defensive guys what they see. it's good to get another perspective on things. this leads to good healthy discussion about our team. this is done on weekends or during the week in the office. rarely in a game do i speak with the dc or someone on the defensive side of the ball about my play calls or his. if this conversation does occur it is usually during a timeout or something where i, for example, might mention to the dc that i'm thinking of going for it on 4th down here and what does he think? i.e. does he feel he can hold 'em or something...
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 23, 2006 15:24:16 GMT -6
Hopefully this is one of those tough "learning experiences" for you and the staff. As has already been mentioned, strive to create a feeling where you can give (and take) information that will help the TEAM win.
As you go into your pre-season, ask the OC for his thoughts on various topics both practice wise as well as game planning. Make sure you are sincere and make sure you thank him when he gives you a good idea. Maybe you already do this, but if he feels you value his opinion, then you help him to do the same to you.
Anything you can do to foster that trust is going to eventually get you to the point where, if the same situation comes up, you can go up to the coach and give him some great intelligence regarding the defense, which will allow him to make the best call. If that doesn't work, follow coachcalande's advise and have a beer.
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zulu
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Post by zulu on Jun 23, 2006 17:24:52 GMT -6
"Never give advice to someone who hasn't asked for it. They won't take it and will resent you for it. This doesn't apply to just coaching." great point coach and extremely concise...sometimes less is more; 'nuff said. Support his play call, especially in front of the players. The players will second guess they coaches, they have to fell as though the coaches are at least on the same page. I know for a fact that I'd hate the OC (from experience) telling me what to call and when to call it on Defense. another great point! leave the second guessing to the parents and the "wannabe" coaches in the stands...the kids are gonna hear it all over town and all over school, the last thing they need is to suspect or see that the staff is divided too. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 23, 2006 18:21:53 GMT -6
I would say, if the call doesn't directly affect you (for example, by throwing the ball when they could be eating up clock later in the game.) then your limit is pretty clear. You are the D coordinator, and he is the O coordinator.
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Post by tye2021 on Jun 24, 2006 9:22:20 GMT -6
I would say that your limit starts and ends during meetings and going over game plans. You can't second guess each other on the sidelines it will destroy the continuity of your coaching staff, which will then begin to divide your players.
However, this may be a good oppertunity to change your staff's approach to gameplanning. One of the changes could be selecting plays for key situations like this one. Run it by each other, get everyones opinion about it. Work it out together during the meetings this way you are all unitted and have an understanding that the play called was one that you all believed in.
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