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Post by tentboy on Jul 27, 2011 20:38:32 GMT -6
I am going to have a first year senior qb next year. Will be one of the top players in the state on offense and especially defense. What is your experience with your QB playing defense? Do you risk it? What if he makes your defense that much better?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 28, 2011 0:07:03 GMT -6
Why is he different than any other offensive player?
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Post by mattharris75 on Jul 28, 2011 0:38:44 GMT -6
Our QB had 107 tackles last season at inside linebacker...  If you've got a stud, use him! |
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jul 28, 2011 7:13:38 GMT -6
If he is going to be one of the best players in the state then play him. We usually don't play them on defense.
It takes us years to develop our QB's into the type of kid that can read, handle protection, and develop his footwork. If he is not a special kid on defense, we do not risk it.
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 28, 2011 8:16:42 GMT -6
We have a similar situation, our qb could be one of our best safeties. We don't play him though, because our offense is very dependent on him and we don't have a suitable backup.
We have other kids we are working with this year, and maybe we can get him some plays on defense, but as of now the risk/reward isn't worth it.
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Post by fantom on Jul 28, 2011 8:25:00 GMT -6
I am going to have a first year senior qb next year. Will be one of the top players in the state on offense and especially defense. What is your experience with your QB playing defense? Do you risk it? What if he makes your defense that much better? The question is-will you have a better team with him playing defense or without him? That's the point, right? Having the best team, not having the best offense. |
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2011 8:33:22 GMT -6
Best players should play. Why have your best Safety (or whatever) standing on sideline with you while defense gives up big plays?
I've used QBs as punt returners before. Heck one year even used QB as NT on goal line defense because he was biggest kid on the team.
Can't live in fear of "what if" - but must have plan for it to be sure.
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Post by bluboy on Jul 28, 2011 9:21:38 GMT -6
We have a similar situation; our QB is our best corner(great pass defender). As of now (and this could easily change), we will start this kid at corner and QB; he will not play the entire game on defense. After the first or second series, he will only play defense as part of our nickel group. We don't want to take a chance on his getting beat-up during the course of a game.
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2011 9:25:23 GMT -6
bluboy, maybe you play all DW or SW teams, but - otherwise, when did you see a CB get "beat up" over the course of a game?
From some posts on this thread sounds like guys don't teach QBs how to block protect or tackle and don't allow them to lift weights or wear pads.
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Post by blackknight on Jul 28, 2011 10:05:01 GMT -6
We did get burned one year. Our QB was having a great year and we were 8 - 0. He got dinged on a punt return and we lost our next two games!
We played our QB on defense one year and he was a corner. We kept him into the boundary and that helped keep him fresh.
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Post by GregH on Jul 28, 2011 10:05:44 GMT -6
The point is, as zone... pointed out, a good starting QB is more difficult to replace than any other position. It is a calculated risk. We will probably use our starting QB some at corner this year for the first time in several years, but I hate taking the risk. Even if I had a second QB of almost equal talent, he would not get the reps the starter gets, and I would still not like using the starter on defense.
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Post by lochness on Jul 28, 2011 10:27:23 GMT -6
We play our best 11 in each phase of the game, regardless of the kid's value in one phase. We had a 3-year starter at QB who played strong safety for us for two years, and we use our SS as an extra linebacker for the most part. He did just fine and never got hurt.
It is what it is.
The kid could fall down the stairs and separate his shoulder (happened to us last year).
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2011 10:36:51 GMT -6
Every time QB goes back to pass he's one missed block from being out.
Only way to completely protect him is to make him a "caddy" - take the snap, turn around, give ball to RB.
But then he's not making any plays to help you win, either.
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2011 10:55:21 GMT -6
The kid could fall down the stairs and separate his shoulder (happened to us last year). One year our QB ripped his ankle in practice just running down the field on Offense - nobody near him. Lost for first time in seven games that week but had nothing to do with back-up QB. In fact we missed srarter more as Punter and Safety. It happens. |
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Post by hamerhead on Jul 28, 2011 11:12:21 GMT -6
I think you just have to be smart about it. If he makes your defense significantly better, then there you go, you have no question.
But if he only kind of sort of maybe helps in certain situations, I'd probably look a different direction.
The other consideration is, how good is your back up QB? If you run an offense that is very dependent on your QB, developing them year in and year out and always having a ready backup is very important - in part so that you can play your QB wherever as needed without fear. If you run a QB dependent offense and don't spend time developing a #2, then it won't matter where you play him defensively, you'll be screwed anyway soon enough. Murphy's Law has a way of kicking in during these situations.
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 28, 2011 11:26:56 GMT -6
As far as having a suitable backup before we use our QB on defense, he will be a junior this year. Last year there was no one that we could confidently use to come in as a 2. He has started since he was a freshman (replaceda Junior), so the idea of grooming a successor was a little cloudy as far as when he would graduate, the successor would probably go with him. He is one of the strongest kids on the team, so that is why this season he will get LIMITED playing time on D. We have a freshman we are going to be able to use as a JV QB, and last years JV QB as a back up this season.
The point being, what is your risk/reward for this kid playing defense? For us, it would have been fatal if he was injured, again that was last year. This season we have some breathing room. Everyone's circumstance's aren't the same.
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Post by fantom on Jul 28, 2011 11:44:10 GMT -6
. Everyone's circumstance's aren't the same. Exactly. Again, the question is does it make you a better TEAM? We've had years when we have used the QB on defense and some when we haven't. Here's what we've done over the last few years: 2010- QB was a slow kid who could throw. Couldn't play defense so no issue. 2009- QB was an excellent athlete who was more of a QB by necessity. Started at safety as a junior and again in '09. Played both ways but got his breaks on defense. Backup safety was acceptable for a few snaps at a time but not nearly as good fulltime. 2006-2008- BCS level QB. Could have been a great safety but we had players who were more than adequate to play defense. This was a rare kid who was so good at QB that we really couldn't risk him. 2003-2005- QB was a great athlete but he didn't have a defensive instinct or bone in his body. HC made it clear that he was available to play defense but the kid wasn't any good there. So if we're talking about a franchise QB, maybe it makes sense to keep him off defense. Even then you can only do that if it doesn't cripple the defense. It does vary with the circumstances and the player. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 28, 2011 13:33:47 GMT -6
If I can get by not playing my QB on D I will only play him on offense. However if we are going to put ourselves at a greater risk of losing by not playing one of our best athletes on D then he goes both ways.
This year we may be starting a sophomore at QB and MLB.
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Post by PSS on Jul 28, 2011 14:42:46 GMT -6
We're starting our QB at FS this year. To echo everyone else, you have to put your best 11 on the field and sub when possible.
Our strong side OT will also start at wk side DE, but his backup will be the same person at both positions. This will allow a little more flexibility to sub to give him a rest on O or D.
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Post by k on Jul 28, 2011 16:01:01 GMT -6
Think it depends on what kind of offense you run. If he is handing the ball off 30 times a game it shouldn't be an issue. But if you're a spread option team and he is your primary ball carrier in addition to throwing a ton... Well maybe he sits on D...
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2011 17:22:28 GMT -6
It can work (or not I guess) both ways.
In 2005 we had outstanding Senior QB who had not made it through two previous seasons because of injuries.
We had an outstanding Junior QB who was great athlete too.
I was so worried about the Senior kid getting hurt again and not having backup that I didn't play the Junior on Defense, lest he get hurt there.
Senior kid never got hurt. We went 7-3 with a team that could have done better - all three games we lost were in part due to big pass plays against us that maybe the Junior kid could've prevented had he been on the field.
Next year as a Senior he played both ways (QB-FS) and we had first undefeated regular season, undisputed conference championship in school history. And he was first team all-conference DB.
Stupid, stupid, stupid...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 28, 2011 18:02:20 GMT -6
I don't quite understand these quotes. Why create a system relying on skills so unique that the skill set is extraordinarily difficult to develop or replace? Much less create a system that has you doubting whether you can "risk" a player on the other side of the ball.
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Post by lochness on Jul 28, 2011 19:20:46 GMT -6
I don't quite understand these quotes. Why create a system relying on skills so unique that the skill set is extraordinarily difficult to develop or replace? Much less create a system that has you doubting whether you can "risk" a player on the other side of the ball.  |
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Post by champ93 on Jul 28, 2011 20:06:44 GMT -6
23 years coaching--15 different QB's---12 played both ways--0 hurt and couldn't play.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 28, 2011 20:24:21 GMT -6
Guys, you're all missing the point. Their skirts could get muddy, or worse yet, torn!
I don't have a quarterback; I have 5 backs, V, W, X, Y, Z. I don't want anyone getting the impression that they're special. On any given play, if you aren't carrying the ball, you'd damned well better block someone or fake someone.
As a side note, quarterback also happens to be a really, really hard word to say in French, even as a fully fluent speaker.
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Post by coachshepherd on Jul 28, 2011 21:17:25 GMT -6
Ran into that question the last 2 years, and now this year, really, it's a no brainer now. My QB is a freakazoid, we're a heavy option team, but he's a bull, 6'0, 215 lbs, really should be our FB, but we don't put a premium on throwing. But he's a heck of a LB too, the past year he started and recorded 122 tackles. He's being recruited by a few small DI schools. Either way, if he goes down, we're hurting on both sides of the ball. Plus we're a small school with limited numbers. If he would happen to go down, we'll have to figure that out.
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Post by thehoodie on Jul 28, 2011 22:00:39 GMT -6
As a side note, quarterback also happens to be a really, really hard word to say in French, even as a fully fluent speaker. quart-arrière... that didn't seem so hard to say  |
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Post by Coach Unk on Jul 28, 2011 22:16:09 GMT -6
If he is also one of your best defenders, play him.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 28, 2011 22:37:40 GMT -6
Just to be 100% clear-- I by no mean questioning the toughness of the QB position. Take a shot under the chin while keeping your eyes downfield is pure toughness. Also not suggesting that one should not run a spread offense or anything similar.
I was just confused by the thought processes and events that would lead to those type of quotes. I mean those all seem like issues created from within.
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Post by k on Jul 29, 2011 1:20:02 GMT -6
I don't quite understand these quotes. Why create a system relying on skills so unique that the skill set is extraordinarily difficult to develop or replace? Much less create a system that has you doubting whether you can "risk" a player on the other side of the ball. Because it allows you to put the ball in the hands of your best player on every snap. Obviously some positions are more difficult to develop than others. Systems which allow for you to put the ball in your playmaker's hands every play obviously also increase the difficulty to develop that position. I don't understand why people can't see that in some offenses it doesn't make sense to play your QB on defense. I especially don't understand why so often questions on one platoon vs two platoon teams turn out to have the exact opposite nature when compared to this thread when that seems to be the extreme and this seems to be a moderate approach. |
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