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Post by wolfden12 on Jul 20, 2011 12:49:29 GMT -6
We have switched from a 2 platoon system this year. All coaches have been asked to coach both sides of the ball for the upcoming year. This led me to some questions.
How many positions do you need to know how to coach on both sides of the ball?
I know the above question is broad, but made me wonder how so many coaches can coach any position and coach it effectively?
How many positions should you be knowledgeable in to be a successful offensive and defensive coach in knowing the whole scheme?
Is there a method to becoming more knowledgeable as a coach in understanding all positions?
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Post by lochness on Jul 20, 2011 13:45:45 GMT -6
We have switched from a 2 platoon system this year. All coaches have been asked to coach both sides of the ball for the upcoming year. This led me to some questions. How many positions do you need to know how to coach on both sides of the ball? I know the above question is broad, but made me wonder how so many coaches can coach any position and coach it effectively? How many positions should you be knowledgeable in to be a successful offensive and defensive coach in knowing the whole scheme? Is there a method to becoming more knowledgeable as a coach in understanding all positions? Coach, It's an interesting question. I've never been a part of a program that HAS been 2-platoon, so for me coaching multiple positions has just been a way of life. These are the positions we need filled on O and D. It's pretty universal, but some of it would vary based on the system you run: OFFENSE: Coordinator (doubles as a position coach) Running Backs Quarterbacks Wide Receivers Tight Ends Offensive Line DEFENSE: Coordinator (doubles as a position coach) Defensive Line Inside Linebackers Outside Linebackers Cornerbacks Safeties So, we have 5 positions that need to be coached on both sides of the ball...which works out nice in terms of balancing things out. Each coach specializes and serves as the primary position coach for one offensive position and one defensive position. On offense, we try to approach it like this: The "skill position" guys should all be capable of coaching another guy's position. So, for example, I'm the OC and the RB coach, but I can coach QB's and WR's if the need arises. I'd expect our QB coach to be able to do RB's or WR's if necessary. And so on and so on. The TE and OL guys should also be interchangable. I'd expect our TE guy to be able to coach OL and vise-versa. On Defense, it's a little tougher because DL kind of stands alone. Our LB's coaches are then interchangable and our secondary coaches are interchangable. That being said, I coach the safeties on defense, but I could coach (and HAVE coached) either the CB's or the OLB's just as effectively. Our ILB guy could easily do OLB, DL or even CB's (as he did 2 years ago). Our OLB guy could do ILB's or either of the DB's. So...I think it's important to have guys that can do lots of different things. The key is that it depends on the skills and experience of the staff and the requirements of the systems you run. Most people can coach 2 positions WELL. I can coach RB, CB, and Safeties WELL (so, if you combine CB and S into "DB"...that means I can do two positions well). I'm capable of doing just about anything else...but I'm not nearly as good at it as I am with my areas of comfort and experience...so I may be able to do it, but I wouldn't confidently judge my ability to do it well.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jul 21, 2011 10:07:02 GMT -6
Lochness, That is exactly the feedback I was looking for. You mentioned the skills and experience of staff that plays a factor. In the situations you were apart of, where other coaches responsible of getting knowledge of the other positions to be able to coach or were coordinators or other position coaches responsible in getting them coached up either one-on-one, group, or manuals?
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Post by blb on Jul 21, 2011 10:24:50 GMT -6
If you are a coordinator you should be able to expertly coach every position on that side of the ball.
We have seldom been in a position where we had more than three coaches (and sometimes only two) per team.
So our usual breakdown was Backs-LBers, OL-DL, WR-DB.
Years we had an extra coach we would use him in area of his expertise or where we had biggest numbers.
Selfishly would like extra guy to coach RBs so I could focus-spend moire individual time on QBs.
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Post by blackknight on Jul 21, 2011 11:49:17 GMT -6
The best way to learn a position is to coach it. Kind of like the idea that the best way to learn something is to teach it.
We have 4 on our staff and we break it down this way: HC/OC/QB/TE/LB AHC/OL DC/DL/RB WR/DB
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Post by jonnyjon on Jul 21, 2011 11:57:04 GMT -6
Well, if you coach OL you should know enough about DL to coach it acceptably in highschool. Same for WR and DB's. I have never ever been involved with LB's so I can't really say if they match to RB's well but I do know that rb-lb is a common pairing. If you have 6 coaches to me it usually ends up with the dl coach assisting the ol coach on offense and vice versa. I always thought it would be better to platoon the coaches (if you have 6) but really this is a good way to learn about the other side of the ball.
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Post by Fridge on Jul 22, 2011 6:25:38 GMT -6
We coached like this: HC/OC/DC/SpTC/Kicker/Returner/QB WR/DB/Asst.HC RB/MON (hybrids) T/LB S/G/DL
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Post by tchestovich on Jul 22, 2011 20:20:11 GMT -6
If you were using a 2 platoon situation before I am assuming that you have a pretty good sized staff. One of the suggestions that I would make is have them pair up with someone from the other side of the ball. If they coached LB's go with the RB's coach so that they will be able to learn how to do it correctly. They should already have a pretty good idea how to do it but still lets them be the primary coach on their perticular side of the ball and an assistant on the other.
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Post by coachorr on Jul 23, 2011 3:47:32 GMT -6
I would agree with BLB's statement that if you are a coordinator, you should be able to expertly coach every position on that side of the ball.
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Post by fantom on Jul 23, 2011 11:48:55 GMT -6
Isn't it kind of late in the game for making a change like this? Most of our staff coaches an O and D position and most had no background in one of his positions. I, for example, coach OL and DBs but never played DBs.
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We made that decision in January. We all had a full offseason to learn our new positions. The OP was posted on July 20. That makes for a short time frame to become an expert at your position.
I'd put this off until next year.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jul 24, 2011 20:15:22 GMT -6
We did make the decision in January. We are just encountering some issues and curious what other coaches thoughts were for the initial questions.
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Post by airman on Jul 26, 2011 15:40:41 GMT -6
Defense 2 dl 2 lb 1 c 1 s
offense 2 oline 1 qb 1 rb 1 hb/te 1 wr
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Post by ram7gm on Jul 27, 2011 8:05:10 GMT -6
I have always been in a two platoon system. Our current set-up:
HC/OC/QB/RB/LB DC/DB/WR OL/DL DL/OL
2 Volunteers: DL/OL/TE DB/WR
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2011 9:13:51 GMT -6
We did make the decision in January. We are just encountering some issues and curious what other coaches thoughts were for the initial questions. OK. Here's the way we do it: 1. HC/DE 2. OC/QB/OLB 3. DC/OL/DB 4. TE/DT 5. RB/ILB 6. ST/WR
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Post by k on Jul 27, 2011 12:47:21 GMT -6
HC/OC/OL/DL
DC/LB/RB
Special Teams Coordinator/DB/WR
QB Coach / Technology Coordinator
Assistant Line Coach / Strength & Conditioning Coordinator
We then have a half dozen or so unpaid volunteers one at every position at least and doing extra work with people who don't have a position on offense or defense when we're practicing that in individual.
Also I think the coordinator needs to be able to coach the scheme for every position but it is perfectly acceptable if your position coach is more knowledgeable than you at a position. You coach up QB1 for four years he has a great four years and then goes off to play QB in college. You were a lineman when you played. That QB if a natural coach is going to be a better QB coach than you after a few years. At least in my opinion and experience. When I first started coaching I was told the concept of how my DL worked but never any specifics. The DC said "You've played it forever, I was a cornerback, you teach it how you want within XXX framework."
"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing"
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 27, 2011 16:04:18 GMT -6
Currently for us:
HC: RB/QB/WR and LB/DB AC: OL/DL
Luckily we've got a guy lined up to start helping next week, he'll take the WRs and DBs.
To answer your questions:
I would say at least one on each side. All of the teams I've played on or coached had a defensive period and an offensive period. Every coach worked with a positional group during that time, so they/we had to know at least one position on each side.
The coordinators should be able to do this, and any one who ever intends on being a coordinator had better be working toward the same.
Any one who knows the WHOLE scheme, really has to have an understanding of all the positions.
Become a sponge and ask questions. Spend time with the coaches who work with the positions you are unsure about. Most coaches figure out the X's and O's, but are clueless about the "Hows" and the "Whys". That's were the real knowledge lies.
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Post by 664jeff on Aug 1, 2011 10:47:11 GMT -6
HC/OC/QB- As the head coach he has responsibilities on the defense as well OL/ Run Game Coordinator- responsible for inside drill when the HC is involved with defense WR/ Passing Game Coordinator- responsible for 7 on 7 if HC is involved with defense
DC/ LB- makes game day calls for the defense DL/ Scout team coach DB/ Special teams coordinator
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