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Post by PowerDown on Nov 17, 2006 18:18:01 GMT -6
Varsity coaches if you had a JV coach that insisted on doing off season training separate from the Varsity on different days would you go and check in on the training? His reasoning is that the JV players get intimidated by how strong and fast the varsity guys are and don't work to their potential.
Before the get rid of him and fire him quickly replies come in, that is not an option in this case.
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Post by brophy on Nov 17, 2006 18:49:13 GMT -6
A JV coach that wants to take ownership and responsibility?
Where is the problem?
Sure, it would be ideal if these guys could see the example of the Upper Classmen...there are good and bad
Unless the HC has already mandated how the off-season would go with his expectations, THIS DECISION would be subject to the almighty acid test of 'HOW IS THIS THE BEST DECISION FOR THE PROGRAM'?
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 17, 2006 18:51:13 GMT -6
uh .... not in texas. such a scenario doesn't even exist. during off-season period, all 10-12 grade football players are in same period together anyway.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 17, 2006 19:29:42 GMT -6
Well I wish we had the same thing as Texas, we are moving towards that slowly, we have weight training as part of phys ed but it isn't all athletes.
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Post by PSS on Nov 17, 2006 19:33:32 GMT -6
To go along with what Huey replied, we even move 10 to 15 hand picked freshmen kids into the varsity period at mid-term. Some of these guys are going to have to step up and help us next year so they better learn to work with the big boys, learn there roles on the team, basically step up to the challenge. Since I've been coaching I've never had a problem with lower level athletes working with higher level athletes, to me it's how you organize your off-season. If they are so intimidated then maybe they need to spend a little extra time after school. It has always work for our guys in that situation.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 18, 2006 6:59:06 GMT -6
If he wants to do the work and you trust him to run your stuff then let him go. Your visits would not be checking up on him but rather a dedicated head coach taking time to let the JV kids know that he cares.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2006 9:28:10 GMT -6
Agree with the above as long as he is implementing the varsity program. In fact, if you are limited with space and equipment in the weightroom (like my school is  ) it may work out the best to do it this way. |
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Post by phantom on Nov 18, 2006 11:39:02 GMT -6
Varsity coaches if you had a JV coach that insisted on doing off season training separate from the Varsity on different days would you go and check in on the training? His reasoning is that the JV players get intimidated by how strong and fast the varsity guys are and don't work to their potential. Before the get rid of him and fire him quickly replies come in, that is not an option in this case. First of all, at our place, JV coaches don't get to insist on anything. Neither do any of the assistants, including me. Suggest? Certainly. Request? Sure. Forcefully advocate? No problem. Only the HC gets to insist, though, and nobody on our staff would have it any other way. That said, I think the guy's right about working out the younger kids separately. We've done it and it's worked. The younger kids get more attention and don't get discouraged by comparing themselves with older, bigger players. The older kids don't get crowded out by the little guys. If I was doing it that way, by all means, I'd check up on the guy. I'd be especially keen on checking on a guy who's insisting on things. Like you, we don't have the luxury of an athletic period. |
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 18, 2006 16:19:51 GMT -6
Guys thanks for the replies, basically everyone has hit my concerns dead on, especially about trust as well as feeling instrusive by checking out the workouts. I think it is beneficial to split up knowing that we can push the older kids harder without the younger kids there. I just still have a minimal amount of trust in the man as to his intentions with the request. That is the major problem as well as little we can do in the situation. He is the kind of guy everyone likes and the administration knows that. What they don't know is that no one would put their job on the line for him with his work ethic and organizational skills. Last year and it was well into the work outs so maybe the kids didn't need as much instruction in the weight room at that point but the numbers had dwindled a little bit, I go into the weight room after the Varsity work out and and he is there reading the news paper. I just thought it sent the wrong message, problem is he is a teacher and we can't fire him.
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Post by phantom on Nov 18, 2006 16:28:05 GMT -6
You can't fire him from teaching.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 18, 2006 17:03:34 GMT -6
can't fire him as a coach because he is a teacher and he wants the JV coaching job so he gets it.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 18, 2006 17:10:59 GMT -6
teaching he is tenured so then again no fire unless something major, only thing that can happen is a transfer but not too many principals will be wiiling to take a " recommendation" from another principal
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Post by phantom on Nov 18, 2006 17:19:42 GMT -6
Out of curiosity, what state is this?
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 18, 2006 17:20:39 GMT -6
Maryland
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Post by djwesp on Nov 18, 2006 18:13:34 GMT -6
If he runs the program well, let him do it.
The more coaches to players, the better the training will be.
It seems really important to me to focus on form for the younger guys on the team and this sounds like the perfect way to do this.
It is easy to question his motives, however give it a chance.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 18, 2006 18:56:19 GMT -6
Varsity coaches if you had a JV coach that insisted on doing off season training separate from the Varsity on different days would you go and check in on the training? His reasoning is that the JV players get intimidated by how strong and fast the varsity guys are and don't work to their potential. Before the get rid of him and fire him quickly replies come in, that is not an option in this case. psssst...(whispering)...what if this guy THINKS you dont work the kids hard enough or properly? What if thats his REAL REASON for wanting to do it HIS WAY. psssst...(whisper turns into a screech in your ear) YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH TALK TO HIM AND GET ER DONE YOUR WAY. HOW DOES YOUR EMPLOYEE "INSIST" ON ANYTHING? ARENT YOU THE ONE THAT DOES THE INSISTING? PSST...I could be wrong. |
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Post by phantom on Nov 18, 2006 19:44:19 GMT -6
That's what I'm saying.
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Post by sls on Nov 18, 2006 20:56:32 GMT -6
I would love to have a coach take this much ownership. I would definitly check in on his time.
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) it may work out the best to do it this way.