hoir
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Post by hoir on Jul 11, 2011 9:58:59 GMT -6
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z
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Post by z on Jul 12, 2011 19:49:01 GMT -6
Interesting article! I have coached HS football for 25 years (7 as an assistant coach, and 18 as a head coach), and alot of what the author says (as far as coaching is true). Motivating kids is crucial in today's world is a must. IMO kids today are not as self motivated as they use to be. There are so many things that a kid can do now (get a job and a car, play video games all day, get online and waste a day, get high-sad, but true). Society has made everything all about "me" and not about "we". If they cannot see what they will reap from something, they are not apt to give their all. THAT IS WHAT BEING ON A TEAM IS ALL ABOUT!! Not how many times I score, how many times my name is in the paper, etc. Parents seem to buy into that same thought mode, and in a lot of cases, support that thinking! If you can get 30+ young men pointed in one direction with one goal, along with forging lifelong friendships, it is a beautiful thing! If you have suggestions on how to do that, please share them!
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Post by lochness on Jul 13, 2011 8:24:33 GMT -6
I think I'd take this a lot more seriously if this guy had more credentials in the coaching world than "watching a lot of high school sports" and coaching one year of HS soccer.
It's written more like a know-it-all parent than someone who truly understands coaching. That's not to say there aren't a few good, but obvious, points here...but that's just my take.
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 13, 2011 9:09:13 GMT -6
Hmmmm sort of good...
I think we as coaches understand the "buy in" factor being huge and the primary driver of success at the HS level. But I thinl it is only 1 piece of the puzzle. Take for instance our top HS in Calgary (Notre Dame) one of my good buddies coaches there and I asked him how do you guys do it (not scheme related or X's & O's related but "buy in")? He said he has never seen a coach connect with the kids the way Dave does (the HC). The kids buy in, they have about 88% turn out to each weight room session, Dave gave the team 3 weeks off after the season and the players turned up at his class room at lunch and said "no, the only way we can win a Provincial championship is to beat Raymond and we can't take the time off". These kids are the ones now driving the ship in terms of the motivation.
So some how Dave has connected with them in such a way that they understand the importance of all the stuff they do, which is the same stuff we are all trying to get out kids to do.
Now the article forgets to talk about:
1) talent
You can motivate till the cows come home and get buy in 100% but it doesn't matter if you have a bunch of donkeys you still are not going to win a horse race.
I also think he placed to little emphasis on the X's & O's. Not the oh look at this fancy blitz, or complex playbook because I to think that is over rated. But instead on the basics like who covers who, or where do you line up when we see this and what do you. Those essential things need to be coached well or you won't have the success you could have even with talent and buy in.
just my 2 cents
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Post by shamespiral on Jul 13, 2011 9:43:17 GMT -6
Agree with Lochness...
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Post by fantom on Jul 13, 2011 12:32:52 GMT -6
I hope that somebody writes a similar article for girls's coaches and includes rule #2 (keep the girls and boys practices away from each other). A few years ago our cheerleaders coach insisted on practicing outside of the weight room (a fenced-in section of the gym) despite the fact that the whole rest of the gym was available. She had thirty girls on their backs doing scissors leg lifts and she yelled at our guys for looking.
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Post by indian1 on Jul 13, 2011 16:35:51 GMT -6
That guy is full of $hit
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 13, 2011 17:13:00 GMT -6
And yet...the author sees NO irony in someone preaching the "art of coaching high school boys" because he has 5 sons and has watched lots of H.S sporting events.
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Post by pirate1590 on Jul 13, 2011 18:43:51 GMT -6
Who asked this guy to write an article? When one of this guys keys to success is not practicing near the girls (which should be obvious to anyone whos gone through hs/ college), he hasnt been around long enough to say something. Well meaning, but not worth anything
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 14, 2011 0:27:29 GMT -6
coaching HS boys is easy... coaching HS girls is horrible!!!
I was the girls head volleyball coach... idk if i could do that again... so much drama
and 2 of the players were girlfriend and girlfriend and if they had a fight that day... practice/game was where they took it out on eachother... total head ache
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Post by coachweav88 on Jul 14, 2011 22:44:13 GMT -6
Nice premise, but no substance. Don't allow any down time, keep them away from girls, keep their shirts on. really? So if I do those three things, I will motivate teenage boys? This had potential to be a good article.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 15, 2011 6:13:52 GMT -6
Well I think he made a good start with rules 1-3, but he's missing rules 4-infinite. Which includes important lessons on things like knowing which kids need a kick in the backside and which need a pat on the back and ways to keep players attention for more than about five minutes.
He really should have called this article, "Things I Learned as a Father of Five Boys and a First Year High School Soccer Coach." Would have been much more appropriate.
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Post by lochness on Jul 15, 2011 7:13:52 GMT -6
I also think he's way off by saying that "technical knowledge of the sport isn't important."
You can't lead and control a team of boys without respect, and you can't gain respect without being well-versed and well prepared to teach the technical, tactical and strategic elements of the game. Kids want to learn and get better. Sure, they want to be motivated and organized, but if you don't understand the game...you're going to lose them quickly. So, just like you can't hand some X's and O's propellar-head a HS football team and expect them to do well, you can't hand a motivational speaker a football team and expect THEM to do well either.
Everything in balance. All of those skills, and more, are important.
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Post by brophy on Jul 15, 2011 7:48:41 GMT -6
I don't know you can fault the guy (anyone can blog) for his perspective, but that perspective is entirely too naive and simplistic (along with the other posts on his blog).
There is an "art" to coaching high school boys and that art is evolving and really changing with the ebb of the recruiting industry, parental influence, marketing and ESPN culture.
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Post by fingerz42 on Jul 15, 2011 19:49:16 GMT -6
Rules 1-3 LOL.
What a dingus.
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Post by gambler00 on Jul 15, 2011 20:22:45 GMT -6
I think he made some good points but he is a parent. As coaches we dont have to agree or comply but must ackowledge the parent perspective. The thing about football and coaching is that players must want to play for you. This in my opinion is why you have to have a staff with coaches that fill different roles. The head coach should for sure have the most knowledge and be able to coach anything. The other assistants can help motivate the players in many ways.
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Post by davishfc on Jul 16, 2011 11:56:24 GMT -6
And yet...the author sees NO irony in someone preaching the "art of coaching high school boys" because he has 5 sons and has watched lots of H.S sporting events. No kidding 5085. "The art of" is a strong preface for any statement, let alone an article. I agree, this entire article is completely ironic considering the credentials of the author. Sounds just like another know it all parent. At least he was willing to modify his theory slightly after one year of experience from 20%, 80% to 20%, 70%, 10%...  . He was willing to admit he didn't know everything about coaching. Nice job guy. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jul 17, 2011 19:57:55 GMT -6
This guy is flat out brilliant. I have visited this site for the last time and will now only read this guy's blog. I can't believe I wasted all this time looking for wisdom on here and many other places when the answer is as simple as "don't practice next to girls and without shirts"
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Post by tractor on Jul 24, 2011 8:44:56 GMT -6
I also think he's way off by saying that "technical knowledge of the sport isn't important." You can't lead and control a team of boys without respect, and you can't gain respect without being well-versed and well prepared to teach the technical, tactical and strategic elements of the game. Kids want to learn and get better. Sure, they want to be motivated and organized, but if you don't understand the game...you're going to lose them quickly. So, just like you can't hand some X's and O's propellar-head a HS football team and expect them to do well, you can't hand a motivational speaker a football team and expect THEM to do well either. Everything in balance. All of those skills, and more, are important. Well said Lochness. While I appreciate his apparent good faith effort to help the coaching community, his contributions can be fairly responded to with a simple "Really...that's the secret?" I am always amazed at the blogging community's obsession with delineating "the secret" for all of us dummies. Very seldom does anything in life depend upon some uber-knowledge gleaned from a quick trip to the oracle. Focus, motivation, attitude, knowledge.....to name a few of the more obvious. Wonder if any of these concepts ever enter into the picture? Thanks for your maxims, but I think I'll just continue to muddle along in quiet consultation with the works of Wooden, Lombardi, Saban, Walsh, Drucker, Colvin, or any other QUALIFIED coaching master. |
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Post by airman on Jul 24, 2011 16:20:58 GMT -6
I do agree with his comment on not letting any down time not even 30 seconds. down time equals grab ass time I feel. this is why every staff needs to hire a former USMC Drill Instructor heck, this is why every teacher should be a USMC Drill Instructor our educational system would be # 1 if this was the case. The secret to all the yelling by USMC Drill Instructors is simple, it teaches you to think under pressure.
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Post by sandstorm on Jul 24, 2011 23:42:52 GMT -6
I do agree with his comment on not letting any down time not even 30 seconds. down time equals grab {censored} time I feel. this is why every staff needs to hire a former USMC Drill Instructor heck, this is why every teacher should be a USMC Drill Instructor our educational system would be # 1 if this was the case. The secret to all the yelling by USMC Drill Instructors is simple, it teaches you to think under pressure. Agree. I would be a hot commodity finally ;D |
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. He was willing to admit he didn't know everything about coaching. Nice job guy. 
