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Post by airitout616 on Jun 16, 2007 2:31:03 GMT -6
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Jun 16, 2007 7:26:36 GMT -6
Very cool find.
It's funny how all these "new" offenses still look just like the "old" Singlewing.
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Post by coachnichols on Jun 16, 2007 9:24:15 GMT -6
exciting stuff  |
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Post by easye17 on Jun 16, 2007 20:29:13 GMT -6
I especially like the Rocky montage music.
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bhb
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Post by bhb on Jun 19, 2007 10:29:05 GMT -6
what's the first song that's being played?
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Post by spreadjet31 on Jun 19, 2007 10:57:49 GMT -6
Love the offense, but I'm sorry, did anyone get blocked in that video?
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Post by hchscoachtom on Jun 19, 2007 11:35:56 GMT -6
Who is the referee shooting with his gun on one of the early touchdowns? Was this the signal for touchdown? or did the half or game end right at that moment?
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Jun 20, 2007 6:09:03 GMT -6
Love the offense, but I'm sorry, did anyone get blocked in that video? Ummm...did the offense in the clip make 7-10 yards off-tackle every play by using persuasive speech? |
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Post by Tooch43 on Jun 26, 2007 11:19:10 GMT -6
That offense don't work.
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kdcoach
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Post by kdcoach on Jun 26, 2007 12:21:08 GMT -6
How many games has Navy won in the last 3-4 years?  I'd say they are about 90/10 run to pass wouldn't you? |
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Post by easye17 on Jun 26, 2007 14:21:38 GMT -6
Football evolves. It will continue to evolve. People will figure out WVA and Fla a little which will make then adapt, which will then make the defenses adapt, and so on. That's what makes it so much fun to watch and learn about.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 26, 2007 15:10:13 GMT -6
I love what navy and WV do. But neither can throw the football. And I believe you have to be able to do both some what equally. I dunno, I have seen teams with championships throwing 2-5 times a game....I have seen teams win throwing the ball 30 plus times a game too. Overall, running the ball and playing good run defense seems to be the best approach. |
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Post by brophy on Jun 26, 2007 15:45:16 GMT -6
good stuff - good find.
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Post by wildcat on Jun 26, 2007 16:55:58 GMT -6
A guy from Illinois named Mike Rude has a pretty decent Single Wing video series out for anyone whi is interested.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jun 26, 2007 22:45:46 GMT -6
That offense would be just as effective today, given the advance of the forward passing game and play action. It is very easy to see that the shotgun offenses are rooted a lot in the single wing.
Luke
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Post by airitout616 on Jun 27, 2007 16:00:52 GMT -6
All this that offense wont work they need to do ______ to win more games is BS sorry. I think you can win with ANY type of offense as long as your kids buy into it and the coaches know how to teach what there doing. I dont know how FL got into the topic they dont run the single wing they run some single wingish sets but there not even close to 5% single wing. And Navy is not even close to 90/10 either is WVU if you watch Navy at all there more less 70/30. And to say WVU cant throw just shows how much you know about WVU football they tend to run the football more becuase they have 3 players that can tote the rock Rich Rod used to be a pass first guy but wouldnt you run the ball with Slaton, White, and Schmitt and next year they will have Noel Devine. To say you have to run the football this many times or pass the ball this many times is all a myth IMO. IF you score points and do it well why does it matter. Also the single wing is a great offense on the high school level here in Michigan there is a lower divsion power that has ran the single wing for YEARS and they are very good.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 27, 2007 16:18:56 GMT -6
Menominee Michigan last year beat the Largest Class Defending State Champions in Minnesota Wayzatta. Menominee has about 600 students, Wayzata as over 3,000. Menominee suited up about about 35 kids, the Minnesota team suited up over 100, Menominee blew them out. Menominee is pure Single Wing and has won 2 State Titles in the last 6 years and have beaten many larger class foes. No one wants to play them.
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Post by airitout616 on Jun 27, 2007 16:23:16 GMT -6
Yep my point davecisar run what you know, what your strength is and get your kids to buy into it bottom line. Dosent matter what you run how how much you run or pass. Just do what YOU feel can score points and win ball games.
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Post by Tooch43 on Jun 27, 2007 18:36:15 GMT -6
Just wanted to see what people would say. We run single wing on the high school varsity level and went 8-2 in our third season. Best record in 26 years for a school historically poor at football. Funny to see the discussion though.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 27, 2007 21:05:31 GMT -6
WV recruited #21 from Osborne HS in Virginia to be its QB of the future. This kid played TB in a Single Wing offense, very run oriented that brought Osborne its first ever state Title. Shotgun SW all the way with some jet series mixed in. Saw video of all their games and sat in on their head coaches presentation at the Northern VA Nike Coach of the year clinic. Should be interesting to seee what Rodriguez does with him.
As to Navy, they will never have the talent level of other DI teams with the 6 years in the Navy, risk your life for your country thing as well as all the hazing, summer camp etc. Not fair to compare the academies to anyone IMHO, they are swimming in a totally different talent pool. For Johnson and DeBerrry to do what they have with what they get is just amazing to me ( option football), Im a big fan. Neither will ever be able to compete for National Titles with the constraints they have and I think it's a miracle they do as well as they do. Meanwhile Army after they moved from the option has failed miserably, last time they won the Commanders Cup was back when man was learning how to cultivate weeds and crawling on all fours LOL.
As to Florida, Urban Meyer himself has said on numerous occaisions they run lots of SW. Most of us College football fans are probably happy with 2 loss seasons for the teams we follow LOL.
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Post by khalfie on Jun 28, 2007 7:38:54 GMT -6
Menominee Michigan last year beat the Largest Class Defending State Champions in Minnesota Wayzatta. Menominee has about 600 students, Wayzata as over 3,000. Menominee suited up about about 35 kids, the Minnesota team suited up over 100, Menominee blew them out. Menominee is pure Single Wing and has won 2 State Titles in the last 6 years and have beaten many larger class foes. No one wants to play them. Hold it... hold it... They were tough last year... (1) because they had great talent (2) because they play outstanding defense. The year before they were what? 11-2... speaking to the fact that they were getting better and had some outstandinig kids returning. The year before that they were 7 - 3. Good, but not inspiring fear that no one wants to play them... Seems like they had a great class come through, which happens often, and they did what great classes do. Play outstanding defense and put more points on the board than the other team. |
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Post by coachveer on Jun 28, 2007 7:49:22 GMT -6
And I always thought it wasn't about how but how many...
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Post by davecisar on Jun 28, 2007 9:29:22 GMT -6
Conway Springs State Champs 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 lucky streak. Coach started in 96 and left in after 2004 season, they havent won one since.
One DI Player that im aware of, a huge Tight End. Fun team to watch if you slow mo the film down, you can almost follow the ball LOL.
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Post by khalfie on Jun 28, 2007 10:57:06 GMT -6
Ok then how did they win the state Title in 1998? I guess it's all talent etc another great class. Coach Hofer has over 200 wins in 25 years there, he must be doing something right. One DI kid ( Northern Michigan) on that team and according to the Frosh Coach Jeff Bayeral very very few in the last 20+ years he's been there. I just dont see every school having "great classes" coming through all the time, state titles and 8+ wins every year just doesnt happen for every school and every coach. In Omaha where I'm from, no Omaha Public school, not one of the 6 Schools has won a state title in football in over 25 years. That is 150 different teams, they are 0-150. So either great classes have failed to come through these 6 schools in the last 25 years like they "often" do elsewhere( lots of "I" backs at NU from these teams) or maybe coaching matters a whole bunch. In order to fill out their schedule Menominee has to play teams with 5-6X their schools population and go to Minnesota ( 7 hour bus ride) or Wisconsin. I know some HS coaches that complain when the other school has 500 more kids in school than their school, and have to travel more than an hour by bus. Menominees playing teams that have 2500+ more kids than they do. Maybe it's just me, but I think that's amazing. When I think that by the numbers: the other school is going to have 6 players to every 1 that I have the first day of practice. One would think a 6 to 1 ratio would insure a reasonable talent and depth gap, especially coming from a Defending State Champion in the Largest Class. I would imagine lots of those Menominee boys had to play both sides of the ball with just 35 boys. To say Menominee put more points on the board than their opposition last year is like saying Custer Lost a close one at the Little Bighorn. Menominees outscored the Opposition 539-44. Right! So it was the Single Wing that allowed this team to outscore their opponents 500- 44? No conversation on defense huh? I could hear you better if you were saying... "oohhh wweee... the 5-2 is the best defense ever! Menominee... held 7 of their 14 opponents scoreless...!" But that's not what you are saying is it? Thread was about viewing single wing footage... then the kool-aid drinkers jumped in and started spouting off about how teams that run SW, no one wants to play them... I countered with, those teams had great talent... played phenomenal defense... Kool aid drinkers countered with... there were no d1 players... I would counter with, most state champs in Illinois aren't teams with D1 players, but still have great talent, but then we'd get into that whole public private thing, and I don't want to go there... What I will say is this. I saw Menominee beat that wing T team... and what I saw was hard nosed kids running through some athletic teams, and at times being faster and stronger. Especially on the defensive side. What that had to do with the single Wing... nothing! That team could have ran pro-I and been just as dominant... would their defense had given up more points? Somebody get the kool-aid drinkers a napkin!  |
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Post by airitout616 on Jun 28, 2007 11:24:27 GMT -6
WVU dosent throw a lot becuase they dont have to Rich Rod was a pass first guy before he got to WVU. And in college it isnt the X's and O's its all about the players they have. Teams like Hawaii and Texas Tech wont win becuase they dont have the players to compete with the big dogs, they hang in there becuase of there system but they will never win the national title becuase of the lack of players they can get.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 28, 2007 11:38:41 GMT -6
So the SYSTEM TTech and Hawaii use allows them to compete or "hang in there" as you say, based on the talent pool they have to choose from?
I agree, some systems fit certain talent pools better than others.
If that is true for college teams I would think it would also be true for certain systems and talent pools ( or lack thereof) of High School kids.
Thats it for me on this one.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 28, 2007 13:32:05 GMT -6
Thats it for me on this one. Thank you ...  |
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Post by khalfie on Jun 28, 2007 14:42:50 GMT -6
What!? Never said anything about coaching... was just speaking to the "kool-aid drinkers" and their magic pill offenses. And for my last point. Great coaching and talent ='s state championships... that's it, nothing more, nothing less... not system... not brand of ball... not cutter's gloves or fancy helmets. Talent and coaching! No one wins all the time... even De La Salle out of Cali lost... what happend... did the coaching change? Did they get a new system? Did they stop running SW? I'm just sayin'... |
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Post by kkennedy on Jun 30, 2007 21:04:29 GMT -6
I am confused. If you believe in throwing the football why recruit a tb to qb? HOw come june jones hasnt done it? or mouse davis? or Mumme Or Spurrier? Because in the single wing your tailback is your primary passer. It's about that simple. |
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Post by midlineqb on Jun 30, 2007 22:58:10 GMT -6
Conway Springs State Champs 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 lucky streak. Coach started in 96 and left in after 2004 season, they havent won one since. One DI Player that im aware of, a huge Tight End. Fun team to watch if you slow mo the film down, you can almost follow the ball LOL. Bliss left Conway Springs after the 2003 season. His AD took over the program for one year to get a State title under his belt then gave the reins to an assistant. They haven't had the talent level they had during that span of 1998 to 2004. It wasn't just the singlewing that won for them; it was their defense, special teams, and talented personnel that bought into the system. They had 2 players play 4 years at Colorado State, 1 at Oklahoma State, 1 at Kansas State, 1 at Missouri, and 1 at Arkansas State that I'm aware of. They had many go on and play at the DII level. |
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I'd say they are about 90/10 run to pass wouldn't you?
