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Post by hturner3280 on Jun 18, 2011 19:18:58 GMT -6
Guys, I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on whether or not offensive and defensive practices should be held on the same day or on separate days. When I was in high school, we did 1/2 offense and 1/2 defense on both Tuesdays and Wednesdays (main hitting days). However, when I got into HS coaching two years ago, our HC did offense on Tuesdays and defense on Wednesdays. I prefer the latter, just because if some important kids are sick, injured, etc. on Tuesday, then they still get reps on each side of the ball on Wednesday. I am asking in terms of schools that are not two-platoon. How do you guys schedule your practice week and what is your rationale behind your schedule?
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Post by hturner3280 on Jun 18, 2011 19:42:30 GMT -6
Guys, I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on whether or not offensive and defensive practices should be held on the same day or on separate days. When I was in high school, we did 1/2 offense and 1/2 defense on both Tuesdays and Wednesdays (main hitting days). However, when I got into HS coaching two years ago, our HC did offense on Tuesdays and defense on Wednesdays. I prefer the latter, just because if some important kids are sick, injured, etc. on Tuesday, then they still get reps on each side of the ball on Wednesday. I am asking in terms of schools that are not two-platoon. How do you guys schedule your practice week and what is your rationale behind your schedule? I meant that I prefer the former, not the latter. It's been a long day. |
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Post by norcaldiaz on Jun 18, 2011 20:43:22 GMT -6
Where I used to coach we would have offensive and defensive separate days, but on those days we would still do 10-15 min of fundamentals work for the other side of the ball at the beginning of practice. I liked this setup a lot.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jun 18, 2011 22:46:04 GMT -6
When I was a player we did offense on Tuesdays and defense of Wednesdays. It never failed that there would be some sort of school trip on one of those days and half the squad would miss whatever we worked on for the week. As a coach I have always tried to split practices 1/2 and 1/2 as much as possible for that very reason, well that and I found with some of the teams I've coached they were pains in the rear end if they didn't get some hitting in early in practice.
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Post by superpower on Jun 19, 2011 7:35:47 GMT -6
We do both offense and defense on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, just as the OP described. Our offense is very detail-oriented, and we feel it is important to get reps on both days.
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Post by blb on Jun 19, 2011 7:41:29 GMT -6
We do both (as well as Kicking Game) each day but it works out that we spend about 30 minutes more a week on Defense.
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Post by fantom on Jun 19, 2011 8:01:41 GMT -6
Guys, I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on whether or not offensive and defensive practices should be held on the same day or on separate days. When I was in high school, we did 1/2 offense and 1/2 defense on both Tuesdays and Wednesdays (main hitting days). However, when I got into HS coaching two years ago, our HC did offense on Tuesdays and defense on Wednesdays. I prefer the latter, just because if some important kids are sick, injured, etc. on Tuesday, then they still get reps on each side of the ball on Wednesday. I am asking in terms of schools that are not two-platoon. How do you guys schedule your practice week and what is your rationale behind your schedule? We have an offensive day (Tuesday) and a defensive day (Wednesday). I know it's not a good reason but we primarily do it because that's how we've always done it. As the DC I like it because it gives me extra prep time. Also, it keeps the offense from monopolizing practice time, which can happen if the header is the OC. |
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Post by the1mitch on Jun 19, 2011 9:24:34 GMT -6
We go with split practice using blue/silver groups (Varsity/JV). The staff is split O or D and one color group starts on O the other on D. Next day we flip it. Tendency is for the varsity offensive period to run long due to more sophistication/refinement. We understand that means a longer JV section on defense and if the other guy doesn't score you can't lose, so....... We end with some 11 on 11 using both ends of the field. Kicking game comes pre-practice, during intermission, and/or sometimes at the end in place of 11 on 11. A countdown clock with a horn keeps us moving thru the various sub periods. I love this setup. Every kid works both sides of the ball and learns the same verbiage from their position coaches. When the varsity O line coach asks about moving up a sophomore, he has seen the kid in drills and has a feel for what he can do. Yes this requires more staff and lots of trust in your position coaches. We do it with 5 and 5. The district used to pay for 8 and now 6 so the boosters pick up the slack. Our frosh have 1 paid and 3 volunteers.
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Post by headhunta52 on Jun 19, 2011 9:49:01 GMT -6
We also do half offense/ half defense on both Tuesdays and Wednesdays. The reason we do it is to keep players involved on both sides of the ball. I must note however that as offensive coordinator I have always felt that this style of practice will hinder you in the amount of offensive variations you can run.
If i was in charge of scheduling I would go with a 70% percent offensive day on Tues. followed by a 70% defensive day on Wed. I feel that having almost a whole day would allow you to install and teach more on your respective side of the ball.
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Post by hturner3280 on Jun 19, 2011 10:09:58 GMT -6
We also do half offense/ half defense on both Tuesdays and Wednesdays. The reason we do it is to keep players involved on both sides of the ball. I must note however that as offensive coordinator I have always felt that this style of practice will hinder you in the amount of offensive variations you can run. If i was in charge of scheduling I would go with a 70% percent offensive day on Tues. followed by a 70% defensive day on Wed. I feel that having almost a whole day would allow you to install and teach more on your respective side of the ball. Coach, I'm interested in why you believe that going 1/2 O and 1/2 D on both days will hinder your amount of offensive variation? My feeling would be that you can have just as much, if not more, variation by practicing this way because the kids are being exposed to the formations, plays, etc. every day. When I played, we did an individual period, half-line (or 7-on-7), and team on both sides of the ball. And while I viewed those practices from a player's perspective and not a coach's, I never felt like we were limited by time. It should be noted that we practiced for 3 hours on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. So I guess I should also ask how long you guys practice on Tuesdays and Wednesdays? I'm guessing that if you only practice for 2 hours, then you would probably feel pretty rushed if you tried to do offense and defense on the same day. |
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Post by huskyskins on Jun 19, 2011 10:51:07 GMT -6
We've got 10 coaches, 5 O and 5 D. We have an offensive emphasis day and a defensive emphasis day for the Varsity/JV. On offensive emphasis day the V/JV will do Indy's with the offensive coaches while the Freshmen do Indy's with the defensive coaches. We stay in those groups for group and team time. At that point we switch and the Freshmen move to offense for group and team while the V/JV get some time for group and team on defense. We swap for the other day, so V/JV would get Indy's on Defense while Freshmen get Indy's on Offense. This way everyone gets time on both sides of the ball each day. For special teams, on defense emphasis day we go over Kickoff, Punt, and PAT/FG Block. On offense emphasis day we go over Kick Return, Punt Return, and PAT/FG.
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Post by headhunta52 on Jun 19, 2011 10:55:24 GMT -6
Well you hit the nail right on the head Coach. We practice for about 2 hours due to low numbers. Practice over 2 hours and our kids start having plenty of doctor's appointments on Tuesdays and Wednesdays if you know what I mean.
I have 10 min Offensive individual, 15 min passing, 35 min team.
Our offense (d-wing/single wing hybrid) is heavily predicated on timing and i find myself running out of time and not being able to put in new formations and concepts.
I feel if i had more time, say just a half an hour more I could perfect backfield timing and be able to practice things like situations a lot more often than we presently do.
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Post by tcbxxvi on Jun 19, 2011 19:43:35 GMT -6
On Tuesdays, we go Individual, Group, and Team on defense., and a long, team only script on offense (all base plays out of only 2 or 3 formations....the ones we use the most).
On Wednesday, vice versa. This is when we throw in any new stuff on offense for that week.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 19, 2011 22:34:08 GMT -6
Offense on Monday, defense on Tuesday, 1/2 and 1/2 on wednesday with 20 minutes of special team segments everyday. We do practice best on offense vs. best on defense for one segment on monday and tuesday so that our guys get used to playing at a high tempo, not just against a scout team.
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Post by ramsoc on Jun 19, 2011 22:46:43 GMT -6
We do both on both days. Defensively, I want them to see the opposing offense as many days as possible. So its intro'd Monday quickly on field and with film, then their first real live look on Tuesday and by Wednesday were wrapping up any loose ends. Offensively, if we happen to $hit the bed one of the days, hopefully we have a good practice the other.
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Post by hturner3280 on Jun 20, 2011 6:15:05 GMT -6
Another reason why I think it's advantageous to do O and D on both days is because of gameplanning issues. If you practice O and D on separate days, what happens if you think you have a great offensive or defensive plan that looks great on paper on Saturday or looks good during walk-thru on Monday, but when it's time to go full speed, the kids either can't comprehend what you want or can't physically handle what you're asking them to do? For those of you who separate O and D days, has this problem ever reared its ugly head? If so, how did you handle it?
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Post by fantom on Jun 20, 2011 8:53:15 GMT -6
Another reason why I think it's advantageous to do O and D on both days is because of gameplanning issues. If you practice O and D on separate days, what happens if you think you have a great offensive or defensive plan that looks great on paper on Saturday or looks good during walk-thru on Monday, but when it's time to go full speed, the kids either can't comprehend what you want or can't physically handle what you're asking them to do? For those of you who separate O and D days, has this problem ever reared its ugly head? If so, how did you handle it? We throw stuff out all the time, often right during practice. Generally that happens when you're putting in something completely new so we have some idea that this may be a problem. |
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 2, 2011 8:49:48 GMT -6
For those of you that practice both offense and defense on the same day how do you set up your Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday practice schedules? How long are you on the field start to finish?
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Post by blb on Jul 2, 2011 9:35:58 GMT -6
When I was at school of 1750 kids and had 40-50 on Varsity, we practiced for 2 1/2 hours.
Now I'm at a school of 470, had 28 on Varsity last season and will have less this fall. So we practice 2 hours-2:15
The time difference comes out of Team (11-on-11). Otherwise schedule is the same.
Specialties (Passing or Kicking)
Team Comment and Warm-Up
Individual
Kicking Game
Group
Team
Team (switch from Defense to Offense or vice versa)
Finish
If we are emphasizing Defense (Monday and Wednesday), we try to use Specialties and Warm-up for Offensive-related activities.
On Tuesday when we spend more time on Offense, we do kicking during Specialties (kids who aren't specialists work on Pass Rush, Goal line charge, sled, review) and a Defensive drill (usually Team Defense vs. Gadget or Trick plays) for Warm-up. Could be Pursuit Drill, Tackling or Turnover Circuit, whatever you wanted to do.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 2, 2011 9:48:29 GMT -6
dcohio, can you explain why a littl bit?
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Post by Coach Unk on Jul 2, 2011 20:05:54 GMT -6
We focused on one side of the ball. It seemed to work for us at the time coach.
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Post by 44mag on Jul 3, 2011 10:34:52 GMT -6
individual and team on monday - for both sides of the ball.
individual, group and team on tuesday - both sides of the ball
group and team wednesday - both sides of the ball.
gives us 2 indy periods, 2 group periods and 3 team periods on both
sides.
we may occasionally vary, because of different problems or circumstances,
but that is the basic blue print for each week.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 3, 2011 10:58:11 GMT -6
Mag, can you explain how much time you alot for the Indy/Group/Team sessions on those three days?
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Post by 44mag on Jul 4, 2011 21:55:05 GMT -6
starts off 15 minute periods, team might be a little longer,
depending on special team work and how long we had for
defense. varies a lot thru the season, depending on what
we're doing well, what we're not doing well, who and what
we have to prepare for, etc...
early season, probably 15-15-20. use that as a baseline and
adjust as needed.
generally speaking, we had 50 minutes for defense; sometimes
that was 60 minutes.
some weeks indy / group, one might be 10 minutes, the other might
be 10, or it might be 15, or it might be 20.
depending on what we thought we needed that week, we might have
about 5-8 minutes indy, and 20-25 minutes group.
if our technique is really sucking, indy is longer. it all depends on lots
of factors.
team period shorter on monday, longer on tuesday, and long on
wednesday. tuesday some weeks is the longest team period.
sometimes it was wednesday.
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Post by jooc on Jul 11, 2011 19:38:29 GMT -6
We get around 50 minutes a day for offense and defensive. We share the 7 on 7 period no matter who's period it is. For example, if it's our d-lines individual I will work on my kids combo zone on the o-line. We only have two to three kids that go both ways so it's not that hard with us. Most of our varsity coaches will go and coach the younger kids during the other practice. So if it's a offensive practice the defensive coaches except the DC will go coach the JV and the opposite for the offensive guys during a defensive practice. Less water breaks really helps. We have a water cow in three corners of the field and also three coolers and water bootles on the sideline for all the lineman. Water breaks takes up time.
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Post by shields on Jul 12, 2011 3:41:10 GMT -6
I am at a small school (950+) kids where most play both ways (including our better linemen). We have 3 hour practices on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesdays split half and half. We want the kids on both sides of the ball daily. 1 hour varsity defense/jv offense, 30 minutes of special teams, 1 hour of varsity offense/jv defense, 30 minutes of competition (best vs best--both a varsity and jv segment). If varsity practices defense first on Monday, then they practice offense first on Tuesday and so on. We have 4 coaches on each side of the ball.
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Post by highball007 on Jul 12, 2011 7:56:55 GMT -6
shields, we are very similar but we only have 3 coaches on each side so it is a little harder but scheduled just the same. We also get practice done in 2hrs and 15 minutes. We are a fast paced offense, we don't do a lot of conditioning once games start. We go from 3-5:15 on M/T/W, Thursday is a quick review and walk through!
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