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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 15:44:56 GMT -6
I just moved from Missouri to Tennessee. Down here, in the month of June you are not allowed to use a football with the kids. The kids can throw and catch, but not with a coach present. Basically, you can do everything but have to subsitute a tennis ball or something else for a football. Just curious, what are some ridiculous rules where you are?
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Post by blb on Jun 18, 2011 15:55:35 GMT -6
I just moved from Missouri to Tennessee. Down here, in the month of June you are not allowed to use a football with the kids. The kids can throw and catch, but not with a coach present. Basically, you can do everything but have to subsitute a tennis ball or something else for a football. Just curious, what are some ridiculous rules where you are? Why is that ridiculous? BCS college kids getting paid (scholarships) to play can't have coaches present after Spring ball until Pre-Season practice starts. Why do 14-18 year olds have to have coaches present in June-July? |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 15:58:05 GMT -6
You seem very anti-offseason. I wasn't even talking about that aspect. I was talking more about the fact that we can basically run through a full non-padded practice using a tennis ball instead of a football. What are they restricting when you can basically run a team period with a tennis ball? You're restricting the throwing and the catching of the football, which kids can do on their own anyways. They can still be coached, but not with a football in their hands. The OL/DL can practice with zero restrictions but you restrict the skill guys from using a football?
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 16:01:33 GMT -6
If everybody has the same rules I don't see any problem.
In Virginia we pretty much can't do anything besides conditioning. That will change next year but there well still be restrictions. The rules will be set by region. Some will restrict the number of days. There will be dead periods for the first two weeks of a new season (I hate that. We won't be able to lift because theoretically that would stop a kid from trying out for baseball. We wouldn't. Common sense- if they're playing baseball they're playing baseball).
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 16:04:50 GMT -6
If everybody has the same rules I don't see any problem. In Virginia we pretty much can't do anything besides conditioning. That will change next year but there well still be restrictions. The rules will be set by region. Some will restrict the number of days. There will be dead periods for the first two weeks of a new season (I hate that. We won't be able to lift because theoretically that would stop a kid from trying out for baseball. We wouldn't. Common sense- if they're playing baseball they're playing baseball). It is what it is, but like I said in my response to blb, I just don't see the point. You can run through an entire practice working schemes and install your whole offense and defense, but you can't throw routes with a coach there? Come on. |
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Post by 42falcon on Jun 18, 2011 16:06:57 GMT -6
As of this season you can not run any camp at all even summer weights. End of school is June 28 the next contact you can with players is Aug 29
Dont think you have it so bad!
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 16:13:39 GMT -6
As of this season you can not run any camp at all even summer weights. End of school is June 28 the next contact you can with players is Aug 29 Dont think you have it so bad! Are you kidding me? I bet they would never do that for hockey up there, would they? FWIW...I don't think we have it bad, I just think the rule doesn't make much sense because it does not restrict other football activities besides throwing and catching. Throwing and catching with a coach around seems a lot more harmless than installing your punt scheme or entire blitz package. |
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Post by 42falcon on Jun 18, 2011 16:17:36 GMT -6
I hear ya. Hockey is dumb anyway hahah
We r trying to change things but it's frustrating.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 16:19:04 GMT -6
As of this season you can not run any camp at all even summer weights. End of school is June 28 the next contact you can with players is Aug 29 Dont think you have it so bad! Are you kidding me? I bet they would never do that for hockey up there, would they? FWIW...I don't think we have it bad, I just think the rule doesn't make much sense because it does not restrict other football activities besides throwing and catching. Throwing and catching with a coach around seems a lot more harmless than installing your punt scheme or entire blitz package. Sense? You're looking for the rules to make sense? LOL. That's your problem. You're hoping for school administrators to do things that make sense. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 16:23:06 GMT -6
Are you kidding me? I bet they would never do that for hockey up there, would they? FWIW...I don't think we have it bad, I just think the rule doesn't make much sense because it does not restrict other football activities besides throwing and catching. Throwing and catching with a coach around seems a lot more harmless than installing your punt scheme or entire blitz package. Sense? You're looking for the rules to make sense? LOL. That's your problem. You're hoping for school administrators to do things that make sense. I'm still young and have never been a head coach, old timer. I haven't had the chance to acquire the battle scars from the adminstration that you've gotten. I'm sure those are coming though. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 16:25:04 GMT -6
Sense? You're looking for the rules to make sense? LOL. That's your problem. You're hoping for school administrators to do things that make sense. I'm still young and have never been a head coach, old timer. I haven't had the chance to acquire the battle scars from the adminstration that you've gotten  Not to mention that football has restrictions but basketball can pretty much practice 24/7/365. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 16:26:53 GMT -6
Sense? You're looking for the rules to make sense? LOL. That's your problem. You're hoping for school administrators to do things that make sense. I'm still young and have never been a head coach, old timer. I haven't had the chance to acquire the battle scars from the adminstration that you've gotten. I'm sure those are coming though. BTW, I've never been a head coach, either. That used to bother me but now I'm happy that all I have to do is coach. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 16:31:37 GMT -6
I'm still young and have never been a head coach, old timer. I haven't had the chance to acquire the battle scars from the adminstration that you've gotten. I'm sure those are coming though. BTW, I've never been a head coach, either. That used to bother me but now I'm happy that all I have to do is coach. I hear ya, the only reason I have the desire to be a head coach is so I can spend more time doing football stuff instead of teaching. I know you're not always "coaching" but they usually don't make you teach 6 classes either. I'd rather teach 4, deal with BS for 2, and then "coach." |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 16:33:36 GMT -6
I'm still young and have never been a head coach, old timer. I haven't had the chance to acquire the battle scars from the adminstration that you've gotten Not to mention that football has restrictions but basketball can pretty much practice 24/7/365. That's a great point I hadn't thought of. They play more games in the summer than they do the entire basketball season. They're playing 4 games a week in the summer. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 16:36:06 GMT -6
BTW, I've never been a head coach, either. That used to bother me but now I'm happy that all I have to do is coach. I hear ya, the only reason I have the desire to be a head coach is so I can spend more time doing football stuff instead of teaching. I know you're not always "coaching" but they usually don't make you teach 6 classes either. I'd rather teach 4, deal with BS for 2, and then "coach." Makes sense. BTW, I do miss teaching. I don't miss anything else: Waking up at oh-dark-hundred; state testing, faculty meetings, faculty meetings (I really hated them), recertification, etc.. Talking history all day and working with kids, I liked. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 16:43:37 GMT -6
I hear ya, the only reason I have the desire to be a head coach is so I can spend more time doing football stuff instead of teaching. I know you're not always "coaching" but they usually don't make you teach 6 classes either. I'd rather teach 4, deal with BS for 2, and then "coach." Makes sense. BTW, I do miss teaching. I don't miss anything else: Waking up at oh-dark-hundred; state testing, faculty meetings, faculty meetings (I really hated them), recertification, etc.. Talking history all day and working with kids, I liked. Yessir. It's the other stuff that beats you up, not the time in the classroom with kids. Like you said, it's the meetings, behavior plans, more meetings, "professional development", "unwrapping GLEs" etc. I don't remember it any other way though, I'm only 29. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 16:47:39 GMT -6
Makes sense. BTW, I do miss teaching. I don't miss anything else: Waking up at oh-dark-hundred; state testing, faculty meetings, faculty meetings (I really hated them), recertification, etc.. Talking history all day and working with kids, I liked. Yessir. It's the other stuff that beats you up, not the time in the classroom with kids. Like you said, it's the meetings, behavior plans, more meetings, "professional development", "unwrapping GLEs" etc. I don't remember it any other way though, I'm only 29. Wish I could help. All I can say is get a college job. Then you have to deal with a HC who thinks that staying in the office until 1 AM is helping them win. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jun 18, 2011 16:53:06 GMT -6
Not to mention that football has restrictions but basketball can pretty much practice 24/7/365. That's a great point I hadn't thought of. They play more games in the summer than they do the entire basketball season. They're playing 4 games a week in the summer. Ours played 3 or 4 in a day just last week. Not that the state would ever ask me but I would be a big fan of saying from this date to this date you have X amount of hours a week to have non-padded contact with the kids to do with them what you want. When you compare it to basketball or baseball it is crazy because basketball plays full on games and baseball can do pitching and catching. The one that gets me is the 2 week dead period here. I understand the concept, it gives kids a summer, but (and this is a huge leap of faith) why not trust that coaches have enough sense to let a kid take a vacation sometime during the summer. Not trying to get too preachy but the vast majority of our kids can't afford vacations or going to a private gym and just sit around doing nothing or getting into trouble for that dead period, how are they not better served by being able to be around their team? I believe you have some of those as well emptybackfield. As I said, I understand the premise, but if coaches had some flexibility the dead period rule would be not needed. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2011 17:11:43 GMT -6
Yessir. It's the other stuff that beats you up, not the time in the classroom with kids. Like you said, it's the meetings, behavior plans, more meetings, "professional development", "unwrapping GLEs" etc. I don't remember it any other way though, I'm only 29. Wish I could help. All I can say is get a college job. Then you have to deal with a HC who thinks that staying in the office until 1 AM is helping them win. Yeah, it's just part of the gig of coaching high school football. You're always going to be expected to be a teacher first. Footballcoachg...very good points. In Missouri, where I moved from, you got 25 days over the summer and could do with them what you wanted. We padded up a lot of days. The kids had the first week of June, July, and August off to take vacations or sit on the coach and play Halo on XBox. |
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Post by ajreaper on Jun 20, 2011 13:11:16 GMT -6
What I never can understand is these type of rules are always directed at football- can you imagine if a baseball program if in June and July could not use say baseballs or perhaps bats? People would say thats nutts but with football it seems ok.
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Post by rogerwilco on Jun 21, 2011 15:23:28 GMT -6
I coach in TN too, and you aren't even supposed to do anything that is sport specific until after dead period. That means absolutely no install, no technique, nothing that is football specific. If turned in you could lose practice dates, scrimmages and spring practice. So, I wouldn't advertise that you are practicing. See TN football calendar in attachment
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 21, 2011 15:51:41 GMT -6
CA is broken up into sections... in my section (North Coast Section) you CAN NOT play varsity football unless you are 15 years or older...
Other sections have thir rule but have a waiver policy in place that if signed off on my student, parent, coach, and a doctor they can play at any age... but in NCS no such waiver exists... your very best player could be 14... and he is playing JV til his 15th birthday... there is no way around it, and playing that student in a varsity football game is the same as playing an academically ineligible player
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Post by dubber on Jun 21, 2011 15:55:17 GMT -6
In Indiana there is no spring football, but once summer hits you can do just about anything you want.
We've been in pro pads since May.
A bunch of teams do 11-on-11 scrimmages that are "non-contact"
Our entire passing offense is in, and we've been full go on board drills on the OL
I'll gladly give up spring ball for an entire summer of install and repping.........heck, 2-a-days aren't even that important anymore
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Post by blb on Jun 21, 2011 17:22:40 GMT -6
By "Pro pads" I assume you mean helmets and shoulder pads.
How many days a week do you do this, and for how long each day?
Every week from May through start of competitive season?
Are these practices mandatory? What do you do when kids miss?
Coaches paid for this work?
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Post by dubber on Jun 21, 2011 20:00:16 GMT -6
By "Pro pads" I assume you mean helmets and shoulder pads. How many days a week do you do this, and for how long each day? Every week from May through start of competitive season? Are these practices mandatory? What do you do when kids miss? Coaches paid for this work? Yes, pads and helmets. 3 days a week, between 60 and 90 minute sessions......OL typically goes shorter because we are actually working. We are off the week of July 4th and the week before 2-a-days. It is not mandatory, unless you want to start. If a kid misses we talk/kid/shame them...........really, when everyone else is busting their hump for an hour on the field and an hour on S&C, THE KIDS regulate most of that. We are not compensated for this......... |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 22, 2011 17:22:23 GMT -6
I coach in TN too, and you aren't even supposed to do anything that is sport specific until after dead period. That means absolutely no install, no technique, nothing that is football specific. If turned in you could lose practice dates, scrimmages and spring practice. So, I wouldn't advertise that you are practicing. See TN football calendar in attachment I just got down here a few days ago. Since I've been here we haven't been practicing anything football related, our focus in June is specifically strength and conditioning. I just thought you could do some football things but just with a tennis ball. I overheard some coaches talking about other places they were they used tennis balls in June and did football stuff. I guess I just misunderstood the rule, and therefore we haven't been doing football stuff. Thanks for the clarification on the rule. |
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jul 5, 2011 11:10:49 GMT -6
In TN, conditioning and weight training only in June, no contact with players or open facilities during dead period, 15 days of practice allowed in shorts beginning July 11, 1st day of contact Aug. 1.
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