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Post by fantom on Jun 15, 2011 10:43:06 GMT -6
In the thread "Good Coach/Bad Program" I may have made a mistake. In Virginia all of the districts (leagues) are organized by classification. There are no leagues that have AAA schools mixed in with AA and/or A schools. In my coaching career I've never coached a game against a AA or A school.
Is this true in other states? Are most districts organized by classification where you are?
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Post by coachbrown3 on Jun 15, 2011 10:53:39 GMT -6
In PA, there are certainly leagues where there are teams in different classifications. Our leagues are generally based on proximity so there could be one or two schools in a mainly 4A league that are larger 3A schools.
Our districts are different than leagues though. A district is made up of all of the schools in a certain part of the state but then they are broken down by class. For example, I coach at a school in District 1. District 1 is made up of 73 schools, most of them are 4A. In the District playoffs, 4A schools play 4A & 3A play 3A.
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Post by fantom on Jun 15, 2011 11:11:08 GMT -6
In PA, there are certainly leagues where there are teams in different classifications. Our leagues are generally based on proximity so there could be one or two schools in a mainly 4A league that are larger 3A schools. Our districts are different than leagues though. A district is made up of all of the schools in a certain part of the state but then they are broken down by class. For example, I coach at a school in District 1. District 1 is made up of 73 schools, most of them are 4A. In the District playoffs, 4A schools play 4A & 3A play 3A. I should have known that because I'm originally from the Scranton area. I am aware of the terminology difference. That's why I included both terms. Leagues are called "districts" here. What you call a district is known as a "region" in Virginia. There are only four here. The Scranton area schools are also mixed-classification leagues which is why I should have known that. A few years ago they experimented with dividing up and scheduling strictly by classification. Epic fail. They lost money hand over fist because they couldn't schedule money games against old neighboring rivals but had to play schools from 50 miles away that nobody cared about. The reason that this fact never hit me is that many of the traditionally strong programs there are in smaller classifications. |
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Post by blb on Jun 15, 2011 11:38:27 GMT -6
In the thread "Good Coach/Bad Program" I may have made a mistake. In Virginia all of the districts (leagues) are organized by classification. There are no leagues that have AAA schools mixed in with AA and/or A schools. Is this true in other states? Are most districts organized by classification where you are? In Michigan leagues or conferences are generally organized by location and enrollment but there are many where different classification schools are mixed together (A/B, B/C, C/D), usually because of travel concerns (geography). The class system does not apply to playoffs. Similar to Illinois', once the 256 qualifiers are determined they are broken into eight divisions (I-VIII) by enrollment. |
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Post by blackknight on Jun 15, 2011 12:10:50 GMT -6
In California we are divided into Sections, which are large geographical areas. I believe there are 10 of them. Each Section is divided into Divisions. Our Section has 7 Divisions. Leagues can be made up of schools in different Divisions. Our League is classified as a Division II League, but we have both Division II and Division III schools in it. When we qualify for the play-offs we go to our respective Divisions.
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Post by coachbrown3 on Jun 15, 2011 12:47:17 GMT -6
Gotcha, that's very different in Virginia. So they have championships based on region not on size of school? Or do they break down into classes for each region?
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Post by coachhart on Jun 15, 2011 13:03:54 GMT -6
Here in VA there are 4 regions for the AAA classification (Eastern, Northern, Northwest, and Centrai), 4 regions for the AA classification (I, II, III, and IV if I'm not mistaken) and 4 regions for the A classification.
It's further broken down by enrollment: AAA is broken down in to divisions 5 and 6 (D6 is approx 2100 students and up in the Northern region, it depends by region, and D5 is about 1500-2099, give or take). AA is division 3 and 4, A is division 1 and 2.
In AAA, the 4 region champs make it to state semis in each division (so there's a region champ from D5 and D6).
I also agree with blb having played ball in Michigan. We were a small B school on the west side of the state that traveled and played larger B's and smaller A's simply because of geographical concerns.
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Post by superpower on Jun 15, 2011 16:38:59 GMT -6
KS has several leagues that are mixed classifications.
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Post by jrk5150 on Jun 16, 2011 8:13:28 GMT -6
At least up until recently, NJ had geographically divided sections, as well as groups based on size, that were relevant for state playoffs. The leagues themselves were more based on geography vs. size. The league I played in WAS purely geographic, we had 3 of the 4 different size classifications in it. They recently reorganized a bunch of leagues and reformed them so that teams play against other schools their size. I don't know if it's all the SAME size, or if it's just less variation. I also don't know if that was a state mandated thing (I think it wasn't), or just the league authorities all getting together and doing it. So I apologize, but I'm not sure how they do it now for leagues, I can only say how it was 3 years ago.
Here in MA, I'll be honest I find it confusing. I think for some sports, there are differing size classifications within leagues so you can have multiple teams going to playoffs. But for football, that's not the case - even though the teams are all the same, therefore the size of schools are different, they don't account for that. The league determines your classification for playoffs, which is roughly synonymous with size, but not really. I just don't get it, but I've never really tried to understand it either.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jun 16, 2011 10:17:25 GMT -6
Like a previous poster said the breakdown Illinois to 8 different classifications come playoff time. If you look at most conferences they are around same enrollment, but off the top of my head I can think of a conf that has 5a 6a 7a 8a teams. (ESCC) The Okaw Valley is another confrence that has multiple classess (1A-3 or 4A). The last couple of seasons they had at least 3 teams make the semis in 1A, 2A and 3A. |
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Post by pb77 on Jun 16, 2011 16:51:14 GMT -6
Indiana---teams make up their own conferences. There isn't any set rule on how it is set up to my understanding the schools just come together and agree to have a conference. My brother coaches in a conference that has 3A-A teams(Indianan currently has 5 classes, though I've heard that may change) and travel can be anywhere from 30 mins-2.5 hours depending on the school.
Wisconsin---the WIAA creates the conferences. These are generally made up of Geographic location, but you can have bigger schools lumped in with a lower division school. The school I was at was the smallest school in the conference(we were always Division 2 team, with D1 being hte highest). Divisions aren't decided until after all the playoff qualifiers has been determined so some years we would have 6 schools be in the bigger division other yeas it might be 5.
Then there was Texas----all district based on enrollment/geographic location unless you opt to play up in a Class so you can cut down on travel and whatnot. I know schools in Laredo would do that.
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Post by huskyskins on Jun 16, 2011 21:46:34 GMT -6
In Washington State, we have 6 classifications based on enrollment. The state is broken down into 9 geographical districts. The teams in each district are broken down into one or more leagues. Most of these leagues are made up of teams of just one classification, but some are so geographically remote, that they are made up of teams of two or more classifications. Each district gets a number of entries into the state playoff for each classification based on the number of teams in that district.
The districts matter in most other sports, but in football, the districts in Western Washington pool their playoff berths, in effect adding another week to the state playoffs instead of playing for district seeding.
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 20, 2011 12:24:40 GMT -6
There is a league in Central California that has D1-D5 schools all in the same league... joke for determining playoffs and seeding.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 8:06:48 GMT -6
IL is a little different in that, technically, we don't even have enrollment classifications until the postseason. Out of all the football playing schools, 256 schools are playoff eligible after Week 9. Then, the smallest 32 based on enrollment are 1A, the next 32 smallest are 2A, and so on and so forth until all 8 classes are filled up.
The conference I most recently coached in, though, may have schools that range from 1A to 4A depending on who makes the playoffs and how the enrollment breaks down once they get in.
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