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Post by sweep26 on Jun 16, 2011 8:42:44 GMT -6
"interdamncepted"
hilarious!!!!
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Post by blb on Jun 16, 2011 8:43:45 GMT -6
"interdamncepted" hilarious!!!! ...and its slightly less-evil twin, incomfuckingplete.
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Post by robinhood on Jun 18, 2011 9:10:23 GMT -6
If the team with 32 minutes of TOP doesn't score, and the team with 16 minutes of TOP does score, none of the other conditions matter.
A few years ago, in a D3 game, our opponents possessed the ball for 43 minutes, and we possessed the ball for 17 minutes, more than a 2 to 1 ratio. We won the game 69 to 62. Scoring counts; that is how who wins the game is determined; there are no extra points for TOP. Football is not college wrestling.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2011 9:18:56 GMT -6
If the team with 32 minutes of TOP doesn't score, and the team with 16 minutes of TOP does score, none of the other conditions matter. A few years ago, in a D3 game, our opponents possessed the ball for 43 minutes, and we possessed the ball for 17 minutes, more than a 2 to 1 ratio. We won the game 69 to 62. Scoring counts; that is how who wins the game is determined; there are no extra points for TOP. Football is not college wrestling. 69-62? Holy crap! Of course scoring is the most important thing. We can only go on the info that we were given and scoring wasn't in the data. Given what we know- that we can have the ball twice as long but get it 15 yards deeper- I'll still take the ball.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jun 18, 2011 12:52:10 GMT -6
The links I provided earlier in this thread shows how better field position can lead to more scores!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2011 13:32:42 GMT -6
The links I provided earlier in this thread shows how better field position can lead to more scores! A couple of things coach 1) The info being discussed are NFL statistics, which I maintain is a similar, but not the same, game as high school football. 2) Remember, your links are discussing the EV (expected value) of field position. Looking at those graphs only tell half of the story. Without the actual numbers, you can't actually compute a predicted score , BUT you must remember there are two components to the computation. The starting field position--AND the number of times you start. Staring at the -40 gives you a better chance to score on each drive. However, if you have less drives---- 3) IN THIS CASE-the question asked in the original post--was very vague in specifics. The only information provided for BOTH teams was the TOP. Perhaps I am digging too deep into the details, but I believe the devil is always in the details. Based on the info given, the only "advantage" I was assured of was the 2 to 1 TOP choice.
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Post by blb on Jun 18, 2011 14:03:20 GMT -6
NFL timing rules (clock does not stop on made 1st Down, but there is a "Two Minute" Warning before end of 1st Half and game) make it a different situation altogether.
Not to mention it's a 60-minute game, with only a 12-minute half time (except for Super Bowl, of course).
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Post by thakatalyst on Jun 18, 2011 16:43:49 GMT -6
The links I provided earlier in this thread shows how better field position can lead to more scores! A couple of things coach 1) The info being discussed are NFL statistics, which I maintain is a similar, but not the same, game as high school football. 2) Remember, your links are discussing the EV (expected value) of field position. Looking at those graphs only tell half of the story. Without the actual numbers, you can't actually compute a predicted score , BUT you must remember there are two components to the computation. The starting field position--AND the number of times you start. Staring at the -40 gives you a better chance to score on each drive. However, if you have less drives---- 3) IN THIS CASE-the question asked in the original post--was very vague in specifics. The only information provided for BOTH teams was the TOP. Perhaps I am digging too deep into the details, but I believe the devil is always in the details. Based on the info given, the only "advantage" I was assured of was the 2 to 1 TOP choice. Great points! I guess I can only rely on my own personal experience to make such decisions.
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Post by k on Jun 19, 2011 20:01:25 GMT -6
When I looked at our statistics in the last 30 games (we're 26-4) it looked like this:
Time of possession in wins: 24-2 Time of possession in losses: 0-4 Starting field position in wins: 7-19 Starting field position in losses: 2-2
I think someone said it best above: Which one is more important will depend on the strategy you're using. We were a run heavy, milk the clock team without any big play kids so I think for us the time of possession becomes the key stat.
Oh and it is important to look at your defense too. If you're a go get them team it might change the answer when compared to a give but don't break team. The other team's style would matter too.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jun 20, 2011 8:46:43 GMT -6
When I looked at our statistics in the last 30 games (we're 26-4) it looked like this: Time of possession in wins: 24-2 Time of possession in losses: 0-4 Starting field position in wins: 7-19 Starting field position in losses: 2-2 I think someone said it best above: Which one is more important will depend on the strategy you're using. We were a run heavy, milk the clock team without any big play kids so I think for us the time of possession becomes the key stat. Oh and it is important to look at your defense too. If you're a go get them team it might change the answer when compared to a give but don't break team. The other team's style would matter too. Good point, coach. We were a score as quickly as humanly possible offense - get the ball back as quickly as humanly possible defense - so the offense can score again program. TOP meant absolutely nothing to us. Though I wish we would have changed that strategy when facing equal or superior opponents.
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