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Post by kcbazooka on May 30, 2011 15:03:34 GMT -6
some years we have sat down the team leaders and established team goals. Often we had at the top to be undefeated and state champs. Although they were high goals they were not unfathomable.
this year we are not a top notch team. for of those of you dealing with this how to you set your goals. Its is unreasonable to think we could be undefeated or state champs, but is it wrong to set lower standards. If we could finish with a winning record it would be an achievement but is that too low of a bar to set? We go into every game with the idea that we are going to pull off a victory so if you start the season hoping for six wins are you selling your kids short?
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Post by superpower on May 30, 2011 19:25:12 GMT -6
In each of the 5 seasons that I have been here, we have had the same 3 goals: LEAGUE CHAMPS, DISTRICT CHAMPS, STATE CHAMPS.
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Post by cc on May 31, 2011 8:54:51 GMT -6
I know what you mean. Outcome goals can be self-defeating if they are not realistic.
Performance goals should also be included. That you can control and achieve.
This could be a wide range of things (although some may be harder to measure).
So goals based on stats, attitude, attendance, academics, team spirit etc...
Also rivalry game goals are good. Especially if they are more realistic;)
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 31, 2011 9:17:11 GMT -6
Besides championship goals, our number one goal is to become a team. Our next goal is to go 1-0. From there, we want to control what we can control moving forward.
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Post by coachguy83 on May 31, 2011 13:56:28 GMT -6
I have always kind of thought of goals as being like a pyramid. You put Win State at the very top and then the foundation would be everything you need to reach the top. So the second level would be something like Win Confrence, Make Playoffs. The next level down would be something like Win X Games, Beat Rival A, Win First Game, Win Homecoming. The next level can be your Team Statistical Goals.
I think with this method you are selling the journey to the kids as much as the destination. I just don't think it is a good idea to ever set the bar lower than being the best because it just sets yourself up for failure. I mean having your ultimate goal be winning 5 games is a good way to have people start quitting on you in week six if the team surprises you.
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Post by kcbazooka on May 31, 2011 15:06:52 GMT -6
i understand what you are saying but for us to think we are going to win state this year is unreasonable. Why would you set a goal that you have no chance of reaching - by putting STATE CHAMPIONSHIP at the top, the kids know that at least that goal is unattanable and may view the whole pyramid/ladder as coachspeak. As i said before, I've had teams where winning state that was an OK goal - but not this year...
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Post by coachd5085 on May 31, 2011 16:15:35 GMT -6
KC--why not take this year to try to implement a more immediate short term goal as your team mantra. "Win this play" That's it. That is your team goal, that is your individual goal. To win THIS play. Last play is over, don't worry about it... your goal is to WIN THIS PLAY. We are down by 21 with 3 minutes to go in the 4th...doesn't matter, my goal is to WIN THIS PLAY.
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Post by CHIEF73 on May 31, 2011 16:59:39 GMT -6
We used to sit down with our players and have them list their team goals. When we looked at the list it always could be boiled down to these four goal; Win the first game of the year, beat our cross town rivals, make the playoffs and win our last game of the year. So now we just use these four goals every year. The years we are not so good we would reach three of our four goals and still feel good about the season.
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Post by TMGPG on Jun 1, 2011 18:03:34 GMT -6
Coachd5085, you got it. Keep it simple and short term. Those short term goals will help keep them focused. Keep them fighting each play and they will be successful.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jun 1, 2011 20:04:20 GMT -6
I have not had the pleasure of being a head football coach, but I was the head lacrosse coach and started a program from scratch this season. 35 guys came out for the team, 2 of them had played lacrosse before in club leagues and a handful had seen it on TV. We finished 7-2.
I focused on a short term goal each week/game, summed up by a word or phrase:
GET BETTER - every rep/drill/practice
COMPETE- just play the game and enjoy it
ATTENTION TO DETAILS- Get better at doing "our" stuff
ATTACK THEIR WEAKNESS- We played a team that I knew we could exploit, and challenged our guys to take advantage and make them pay
LUNCH PAIL- Outwork the opponent
FOUR QUARTERS- put together a "full game"
NEXT LEVEL- We were playing a REALLY tough opponent, but win or lose the porgram was going to the next level
TOGETHER- Stick together through adversity (in response to some ugliness I saw in our first loss)
FINISH- complacentcy was setting in- finish the rep/drill/game/season the right way
During the week, I would say this phrase over and over during drills, after practice, in tweets etc. The guys REALLY responded to this. It got to the point where they recited the words back to me on the bus home from games.
These kids can't focus on long-term goals and set their own too high. They get devastated when they don't get All State their first year or $hit the bed after the first loss of the season...god forbid you lose the opener...very unrealistic. These same kids can see these short term goals and realize progress towards them regularly.
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Post by Yash on Jun 1, 2011 21:51:34 GMT -6
Last year we sat the team down, did the whole team goal thing. What made me cringe was that half or more of our goals weren't even measurable. One of them was "Be respected by each opponent" I forgot to ask the other team's coach every week when we were shaking hands if their team respected us therefore we never checked that box.
I hope we don't do that again this year, its not my job to interrupt the head coach when we set goals but we put too much time into it.
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Post by sexybeast on Jun 2, 2011 9:35:16 GMT -6
Win one game a week, that's the goal.....
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Post by blb on Jun 2, 2011 9:45:27 GMT -6
1. Win first game
2. Win neighborhood games (rivalries)
3. Winning season
4. Make playoffs (six wins in our state)
6. Win conference championship
7. Win play off game
8. Be competitive with everyone in our class in state
Only around 100 schools out of approximately 620 have won a state championship in 36 years of play offs - unrealistic goal for most schools-programs-communities.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 2, 2011 10:29:30 GMT -6
we have implemented some "obscure" goals ... or "indirect" goals....
1. newspaper lists us at top of district at end of september
(that is end of "non-district" and teams are listed by best record. so, we want a great record going into district)
2. wear black pants
(these are the "playoff" pants and only worn in playoffs. NEVER during regular season)
3. practice on thanksgiving day
(means we are in the 2nd or 3rd round of playoffs)
4. play a game in december
(would be at least in the quarterfinals)
have found that these are the same as what people have already mentioned but by being indirect, we feel like it makes the whole goal thing seem either less "stressful" or less "WTF?" because it is different or something that the kids are more likely to latch onto.
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Post by topdog111 on Jun 10, 2011 15:45:21 GMT -6
We have four goals that we put on the locker room wall fourteen years ago and we still live by them each year. We do not always reach those goals but our kids would kill us if we tried to alter them.
1. Win at least 10 games.
2. Win our Region.
3. Make the State Playoffs.
4. Win the State Championship>
We still have a weekly goal to be 1-0 each week. Another goal is to practice on Thanksgiving.
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Post by coachmikeg on Jun 10, 2011 16:15:44 GMT -6
I like what I have seen in a lot of college playbooks. Things like turnovers, scoring (you and the opponent), yards per game, red zone effectiveness. Also rankings within the league and plying in a bowl game. It makes me think of the phrase that if you take care of the little things the big things will naturally follow.
So I like team goals that build, starting with turnovers, scoring, 3rd down conversions, etc. If you achieve those the wins will come.
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Post by blb on Jun 10, 2011 16:24:01 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] I like what I have seen in a lot of college playbooks. Things like turnovers, scoring (you and the opponent), yards per game, red zone effectiveness. Also rankings within the league and plying in a bowl game. It makes me think of the phrase that if you take care of the little things the big things will naturally follow. So I like team goals that build, starting with turnovers, scoring, 3rd down conversions, etc. If you achieve those the wins will come. Well, of course all that is mostly true, mathematically - because usually the best team achieves those things. However - do you think your players are really thinking about those statistics on this snap, or the next one? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 10, 2011 17:08:44 GMT -6
I like what I have seen in a lot of college playbooks. Things like turnovers, scoring (you and the opponent), yards per game, red zone effectiveness. Also rankings within the league and plying in a bowl game. It makes me think of the phrase that if you take care of the little things the big things will naturally follow. So I like team goals that build, starting with turnovers, scoring, 3rd down conversions, etc. If you achieve those the wins will come. And, as i ask everytime the idea of "goals" pops up on this board, how do any of those things CHANGE/AFFECT/DICTATE what YOU and the team actually do in terms of preparation |
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Post by coachmikeg on Jun 10, 2011 17:46:16 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] I like what I have seen in a lot of college playbooks. Things like turnovers, scoring (you and the opponent), yards per game, red zone effectiveness. Also rankings within the league and plying in a bowl game. It makes me think of the phrase that if you take care of the little things the big things will naturally follow. So I like team goals that build, starting with turnovers, scoring, 3rd down conversions, etc. If you achieve those the wins will come. Well, of course all that is mostly true, mathematically - because usually the best team achieves those things. However - do you think your players are really thinking about those statistics on this snap, or the next one? Yes. I think it's a lot easier for players to think on concrete terms about GET THE BALL each Play or realiZe it's 3rd down - really buckle down. Much more so that how try might use a goal of "win the district". Also these type of goals help reinforce our practices - what we focus on, and how we judge ourselves. Everyone has goals- stated or not. I think the more transferrable to a play by play situation the more valuable they are. |
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Post by blb on Jun 11, 2011 6:45:13 GMT -6
They wouldn't be playing hard or trying to create turnovers otherwise?
Hopefully kids are thinking about carrying out their assignment(s) with maximum effort every down regardless of how many yards rushing you've held opponents to or Red Zone conversions so far in the game.
For individual games (as opposed to season) we tell kds this is what we must do to win:
1. Win the turnover battle
2. Win the 4th Quarter
3. Win the Kicking Game
4. Win the critical situations (3rd Downs, Goal line, 2-Minute)
5. Be better mentally than opponents (fewer missed assignments, ex.)
We don't assign percentages or numbers to them because sometimes it's not how often but when you do something that matters.
And what's more important is how we are going to accomplish those things.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jun 11, 2011 8:52:28 GMT -6
we have implemented some "obscure" goals ... or "indirect" goals.... 1. newspaper lists us at top of district at end of september (that is end of "non-district" and teams are listed by best record. so, we want a great record going into district)2. wear black pants (these are the "playoff" pants and only worn in playoffs. NEVER during regular season)3. practice on thanksgiving day (means we are in the 2nd or 3rd round of playoffs)4. play a game in december (would be at least in the quarterfinals)have found that these are the same as what people have already mentioned but by being indirect, we feel like it makes the whole goal thing seem either less "stressful" or less "WTF?" because it is different or something that the kids are more likely to latch onto. I like that, may try and talk our HC into stealing it. For some reason I could see our kids reference and be more vocally excited about "wearing black pants(or something like that)" more so than "make the playoffs." Almost like it is more of a reward to them then a destination if that makes sense. Just something about the way our kids are wired I could really see them using those as slogans and motivations. |
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Post by coachpauly on Jun 11, 2011 12:31:34 GMT -6
we have implemented some "obscure" goals ... or "indirect" goals.... 1. newspaper lists us at top of district at end of september (that is end of "non-district" and teams are listed by best record. so, we want a great record going into district)2. wear black pants (these are the "playoff" pants and only worn in playoffs. NEVER during regular season)3. practice on thanksgiving day (means we are in the 2nd or 3rd round of playoffs)4. play a game in december (would be at least in the quarterfinals)have found that these are the same as what people have already mentioned but by being indirect, we feel like it makes the whole goal thing seem either less "stressful" or less "WTF?" because it is different or something that the kids are more likely to latch onto. I like that, may try and talk our HC into stealing it. For some reason I could see our kids reference and be more vocally excited about "wearing black pants(or something like that)" more so than "make the playoffs." Almost like it is more of a reward to them then a destination if that makes sense. Just something about the way our kids are wired I could really see them using those as slogans and motivations. I also really like the "black pants" goal - I think that has genuine appeal to the younger players. We gave our guys a list of goals to choose from (the higher the reward, the higher the chance of failure of course) - from winning one more game, to ending up .500 to making playoffs etc. We were fortunate enough to have a good enough squad to contest for the national title and indeed the decision made that day (the date was 2305) played a huge part in the journey - it motivated the guys and "2305" became a mantra and served as a focus point when they were tored/sore/down. It's now inscribed on our championship rings  |
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 11, 2011 18:47:02 GMT -6
goal setting works like a stair case...
you have outcome goals, performance goals, and behavior goals
Outcome goals are your big goals such as win the game... win the league, win state etc.
Outcome goals are enhanced/usually defined by success in performance goals
Performance goal examples would be something like
win time of possession
rush for over 200 yards
no turnovers
force 2 turnovers on defense
performance goals are then defined/enhanced by behavior goals
perfect attendance in weight room in off season
perfect attendance at practice
maximizing reps at practice each day
It literally becomes a Goal Staircase, with your outcome goal being at the top of the stair case, and the steps leading up to it being performance goals... The behavior goals are the support beams that hold up the performance goals.
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