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Post by holmesbend on May 23, 2011 21:00:31 GMT -6
Coaches,
I'm the DC at a rural county school of about 720 total students, that just so happens to have a pretty good football program. However, like many out there that coach at small schools, we share many(over half of our typical 50 grades 9-12) of our players with other sports (Baseball, Basketball and Wrestling).
Our team camps that the other school affiliate sports attend do not interfere with football once we start mid-July. However, a few of our kids (and, potentially best players) have individual basketball camps and/or travel team AAU style baseball that doesn't end until the end of July. Do you let those guys play? Let them play, yet hold them to the same punishments that we give others who miss for other reasons? Other suggestions?
One of the young men I saw yesterday, mentioned that he "might miss a little more than a week of practice because of travel baseball", to which I responded, verbatem:
"Hmm....well...1) Austin, you will only be hurting yourself in trying to earn playing time 2) For each practice you miss, you'll be spending 15-30 minutes once you return with me after practice for every day you mis and 3) would you miss a week or two worth of baseball practice in the spring if you had the chance to play for a "travel football team"?
Needless to say, that 3rd one threw him for a loop. Your thoughts?
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Post by fantom on May 23, 2011 21:16:25 GMT -6
Coaches, I'm the DC at a rural county school of about 720 total students, that just so happens to have a pretty good football program. However, like many out there that coach at small schools, we share many(over half of our typical 50 grades 9-12) of our players with other sports (Baseball, Basketball and Wrestling). Our team camps that the other school affiliate sports attend do not interfere with football once we start mid-July. However, a few of our kids (and, potentially best players) have individual basketball camps and/or travel team AAU style baseball that doesn't end until the end of July. Do you let those guys play? Let them play, yet hold them to the same punishments that we give others who miss for other reasons? Other suggestions? One of the young men I saw yesterday, mentioned that he "might miss a little more than a week of practice because of travel baseball", to which I responded, verbatem: "Hmm....well...1) Austin, you will only be hurting yourself in trying to earn playing time 2) For each practice you miss, you'll be spending 15-30 minutes once you return with me after practice for every day you mis and 3) would you miss a week or two worth of baseball practice in the spring if you had the chance to play for a "travel football team"? Needless to say, that 3rd one threw him for a loop. Your thoughts? When is the official start of in-season practice? |
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Post by holmesbend on May 23, 2011 22:02:57 GMT -6
July 15
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Post by coachd5085 on May 23, 2011 22:36:35 GMT -6
Your actual FOOTBALL PRACTICE starts July 15? Like a week before the NFL guys do???
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Post by fantom on May 23, 2011 22:43:28 GMT -6
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Post by holmesbend on May 23, 2011 22:47:33 GMT -6
Kentucky
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Post by coachwoodall on May 24, 2011 6:05:55 GMT -6
we expect kids to make 85% of workouts to get their name plate. We allow to miss 2-3 days of workouts (wt room) for another sport.
we don't do the camp thing, so this applies to lifting/speed
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Post by holmesbend on May 25, 2011 20:02:20 GMT -6
Your actual FOOTBALL PRACTICE starts July 15? Like a week before the NFL guys do??? Yes. Insane, I know. Season starts the 3rd weekend of August. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 25, 2011 21:15:52 GMT -6
Your actual FOOTBALL PRACTICE starts July 15? Like a week before the NFL guys do??? Yes. Insane, I know. Season starts the 3rd weekend of August. So you get five weeks of full padded practice before the first game? |
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Post by holmesbend on May 25, 2011 22:00:39 GMT -6
Yes. Insane, I know. Season starts the 3rd weekend of August. So you get five weeks of full padded practice before the first game? No, that can't happen until Aug. 1 or it can be a few days earlier than that depending on when your 1st day of school is. It's a whole 'nother thread in it's own, believe me. ;D |
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Post by fantom on May 25, 2011 23:10:45 GMT -6
So you get five weeks of full padded practice before the first game? No, that can't happen until Aug. 1 or it can be a few days earlier than that depending on when your 1st day of school is. It's a whole 'nother thread in it's own, believe me. ;D That's what has us confused. July 15 would be extremely early for the beginning of the official football season (1st day of official practice). Most don't start until Aug. 1 at earliest. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2011 10:39:05 GMT -6
No, that can't happen until Aug. 1 or it can be a few days earlier than that depending on when your 1st day of school is. It's a whole 'nother thread in it's own, believe me. ;D That's what has us confused. July 15 would be extremely early for the beginning of the official football season (1st day of official practice). Most don't start until Aug. 1 at earliest. That is what i am confused about too. So what exactly is different between july 14th and July 15th coach. |
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Post by holmesbend on May 26, 2011 21:00:29 GMT -6
That's what has us confused. July 15 would be extremely early for the beginning of the official football season (1st day of official practice). Most don't start until Aug. 1 at earliest. That is what i am confused about too. So what exactly is different between july 14th and July 15th coach. We have a state wide mandated "DEAD PERIOD" for all sports for 2 weeks, which typically runs from last week of June through the 1st full week of July, then once it is over, is when we are allowed to start "in season practice". You have to get an 'X' amount of days in that aren't full gear, and then August 1 or a few days before (depending on the start of school for you)is when you are allowed to go full gear. We have spring practice (we get 3 weeks to get 10 practices once our boys and girls basketball teams are knocked out of the post-season), along with our off-season strength program that all of us, everywhere are allowed. Our "Summer practices/workouts" are allowed from the day after your last day of school until the KHSAA "Dead Period" that I spoke of above. So, given all of that, my question was pertaining to those kids that we have whom are multi-sport athletes, who are playing "Travel/AAU baseball" and/or attending individual basketball camps late in July (after we begin practice), causing them to miss. Do those of you who have many of your players involved with other sports, hold those kids accountable who miss football practice due to the reasons above? For what it's worth, we are talking about great, hard working, very good students, etc. types here that might miss a few days. |
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Post by fantom on May 26, 2011 21:42:41 GMT -6
[google][/google] That is what i am confused about too. So what exactly is different between july 14th and July 15th coach. We have a state wide mandated "DEAD PERIOD" for all sports for 2 weeks, which typically runs from last week of June through the 1st full week of July, then once it is over, is when we are allowed to start "in season practice". You have to get an 'X' amount of days in that aren't full gear, and then August 1 or a few days before (depending on the start of school for you)is when you are allowed to go full gear. We have spring practice (we get 3 weeks to get 10 practices once our boys and girls basketball teams are knocked out of the post-season), along with our off-season strength program that all of us, everywhere are allowed. Our "Summer practices/workouts" are allowed from the day after your last day of school until the KHSAA "Dead Period" that I spoke of above. So, given all of that, my question was pertaining to those kids that we have whom are multi-sport athletes, who are playing "Travel/AAU baseball" and/or attending individual basketball camps late in July (after we begin practice), causing them to miss. Do those of you who have many of your players involved with other sports, hold those kids accountable who miss football practice due to the reasons above? For what it's worth, we are talking about great, hard working, very good students, etc. types here that might miss a few days. We don't have kids who miss for those reasons. Normally I wouldn't be in favor of allowing it. With that early start date, and given that padded practice doesn't start until August, I think you should work something out. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2011 6:55:25 GMT -6
I agree with what fantom posted. Not that I didn't doubt you holmesbend since you're from there, but I did google Kentucky's atletic website and was a bit blown away by their description on when official practice can start! If it was me, I'd treat July 15-31 as the "summer program" and then treat August 1 as the "official" start date. Not giving the kids a free pass to come and go, of course, but be more flexible during those couple weeks.
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Post by bluboy on May 27, 2011 12:02:05 GMT -6
We encourage our kids to play other sports. Since we do this, players get weight room credit for attending a sport camp. Most of our skill players also play basketball and lacrosse.
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Post by fantom on May 27, 2011 14:01:38 GMT -6
Your actual FOOTBALL PRACTICE starts July 15? Like a week before the NFL guys do??? To put this in perspective, the 1st NFL camp is scheduled to start July 24. Most start between July 28-30. |
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Post by ajreaper on May 28, 2011 15:28:05 GMT -6
If the player in question does what you ask of them year around but requests some time away in the summer for other sports then I say let them participate. If you take a hard line you'd keep some kids from doing that but you also will keep some kids from playing at all if they view baseball or basketball as their primary sport. Being an active member of the football program should be about their 12 month commitment not just their summer commitment.
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